http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk%2Bextra2.html $ apt-cache rdepends libgtkextra-x11-2.0-1 libgtkextra-x11-2.0-1 Reverse Depends: quicklist libgtkextra-x11-2.0-dev libgtkextra-x11-2.0-dbg libgtkada2.12 gpsim GTK+extra is long dead upstream and the previous large reverse dependency, scigraphica, has already been removed from Debian. (scigraphics was IIRC, the main reason for having gtk+extra1 in the first place.) The chances of gtk+extra2 making it into Squeeze are low, principally because there is simply too much to do to get gtk+extra2 into any kind of compatibility with GTK+3. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/04/msg00002.html Any application using libgtkextra-x11-2.0-dev will already FTBFS if the -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED flag is passed, so when those deprecated symbols disappear in the GTK+2 to GTK+3 transition, those problems will become permanent. I took over upstream of quicklist prior to Lenny so that it could have a hope of life after gtk1.2 was removed but this proved more difficult than I expected and although the application builds against current GTK+2, not all of the previous functionality has been restored and the core app still needs some deprecated GTK+2 symbols. (This is a valuable lesson in the results of an over-sentimental approach to bit-rot. It's taught me that we are too soft on orphaned packages and dead upstreams.) If gtk+extra2 cannot be ported to GTK+3, there is no hope of keeping quicklist alive and I refuse to prolong the agony. Unless someone takes on the unenviable task of updating GtkSheet and the rest of gtk+extra2, then I will have no option but to orphan both quicklist and gtk+extra2 with a view to removal. The current 2.1.1-6 release of gtk+extra2 is therefore likely to be the last - it already needs autotools hacks to keep it building. I expect to orphan gtk+extra2 and quicklist in a couple of months time. If you need it around, speak up soon. When I orphan quicklist in Debian, I'll also close down the quicklist upstream at SourceForge. If something happens to cause a FTBFS in gtk+extra2 before GTK+3 arrives, I will probably skip the orphaning stage for both the packages and go directly for removal. Depending on how things go with GTK+3, if the deprecated symbols are removed prior to Squeeze, the removals will have to happen before Squeeze as well. Only two maintainers are affected, AFAICT, but others may be interested or concerned about the loss of these packages. I have no idea whether these packages can be rebuilt without a dependency on gtk+extra2 or whether the rest of the code would build without other deprecated GTK symbols. Please don't be sentimental about gtk+extra2 or quicklist and do not try to persuade me to keep them in - I have no intention of spending yet more time on packages that have been left too close to the precipice called "bit-rot". I've learnt that lesson. dd-list: Ludovic Brenta <lbrenta@debian.org> libgtkada2 Steffen Joeris <white@debian.org> gpsim -- Neil Williams ============= http://www.data-freedom.org/ http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/
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