Re: More pbuilder use!
Roger Leigh <rleigh@whinlatter.ukfsn.org> writes:
> "Joe Smith" <unknown_kev_cat@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Actually perhaps software should be built outside of clean
>> chroots. Why? Because if there is a possibility that a dirty chroot
>> will cause the package to fail, there is a bug in some peice of
>> software. It could prevent a user from recompiling on his own
>> system, which thusly defeats the point of having the source in the
>> first place.
>
> This is incorrect. Since the chroot environment is a full Debian
> installation in its own right, this is wrong.
>
> At least for me with by sbuild/schroot setup, I have a set of chroots,
> currently:
>
> $ schroot --list
> default
> sarge
> sid
> stable
> unstable
>
> But you can't build with sbuild until you have a .dsc, which means you
> first need to build /outside/ the chroot, and then queue it for
> building once you have done a successful build on the host system.
> Hence your concern is unjustified.
debuild -S; sbuild
You can circumvent it easy enough if you try.
I often do "debuild -us -uc -nc" outside the chroot till i get the
package to build and then build just source and dump it into the local
buildd to confirm a full, clean build works too.
> You could do the initial build in the chroot, but because it's a
> minimal environment it's not geared for development, just building,
> which makes it impractical (no editors, for example).
xemacs /mnt/chroot/home/mrvn/pkg/foo.c
Not realy a problem.
> Bugs in a clean chroot build are generally build dependency issues,
> and the same issues are also present on the host system, but are not
> always detectable, particularly if configure picks enables some
> feature at random because of some random package being present.
> Uploading stuff not built in a chroot means the build is not
> independently reproducible, and might be different to the autobuilt
> version the other 10 architectures got. In this respect, i386 is kind
> of a second-class arch WRT the package build quality. Autobuilding
> all packages (whether or not we do source only uploads) would remove
> this cause of hard-to-find bugs and random breakage.
Agreed. I fully support you there.
>> If users can make the changes they want, than Debian is NOT free.
>
> I think you got that backwards ;-)
>
>
> Regards,
> Roger
MfG
Goswin
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