Hi Adrian, hi everybody! On 2004-03-26 1:42 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > I'm not claiming that my suggestion of a weak freeze of unstable is the > only way to get closer towards Debian 3.1, but I'm a bit astonished that > although it was announced that "shortly after 15th March" there will be > an update of the release schedule, none of the release managers and his > assistants had the time to either send an updated release schedule or to > give an "yes" or a "no, we have a better plan" answer to my suggestion. I was a bit disappointed by that too. Announcing and enforcing freezes over different stages (no new packages to testing, no new major upstream versions, manual propagation to testing etc.) is overdue and I don't see a reason why this cannot be done at this (or any other) moment, if there is one, I would appreciate enlightenment. A few days ago I was waiting for the testing RC bug counter dropping below 200, and now its is already back to 245. We won't get anywhere when we keep the current state of changing. > What is the alternative? > [...] > Trying to find some other people and infrastructure to create a new > distribution with stable releases based on Debian. I also thought about this once: if we are not able to make releases in a reasonable time (i.e. <= 1 year) then we should not aim for it in the first place and have other groups screw together Debian-based stable distros. But this would make at least me unhappy; why we have Release Managers when we don't hear anything from them? I do not say that they are inactive, but they should be a bit more verbose and actually enforce things more rigidly. Anthony, can you please tell us about your current plans? Thanks in advance! Currently I cannot really recommend people to use Debian because very few of them want to limit theirself to the alternatives "stick with outdated software" or "constantly change your system without security updates". This is really a pity. I know that the installer is not yet finished anyway, but looking at its current progress it certainly might be ready in three to six months and AFAICS we need (at least) this time to get testing into releasable shape. Thanks for comments and have a nice day! Martin -- Martin Pitt Debian GNU/Linux Developer martin@piware.de mpitt@debian.org http://www.piware.de http://www.debian.org
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