Re: Complaint

[Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader <leader@debian.org>]

* Ingo Juergensmann <ij@2003.bluespice.org> [2003-12-14 13:20]:
> - As http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-week-big.png shows, there
> are some archs already have a working wanna-build access since days,
> namely mips, mipsel and powerpc.

> I really feel discriminated by this situation.

And it's clearly an evil plot against you/m68k as can be seen in the
graph above.  If I look at it, I see that most buildds are not
working, with some exceptions.

> It seems as if the archs that are managed by Ryan Murray are
> preferred in their restoring process

This might be related to the fact that Ryan is responsible for the
whole buildd infrastructure.  Clearly it must be easier to get his
buildds running, then others, as the latter involves coordination with
others, etc.  And please remember that this is not a competition
between e.g. mips and m68k.  We're trying to restore our services, and
obviously the crucial or easy ones come first.  You have to start with
on buildd, and it's fairly obvious to start with the one you're in
control of.

> whereas others doesn´t even get a status update when

Mails like
http://mailman.nocrew.org/pipermail/m68k-build/2003-November/007792.html
or
http://mailman.nocrew.org/pipermail/m68k-build/2003-December/007932.html
show that updates are being made, or information being asked for
needed for the restoration.

> - James Troup wrote then (as a reply I think) on Thu, December 11,
> 2003 19:34 a mail to m68k-build list to get a status about the m68k
> buildd machines (new ssh key, kernel info, etc.). He then got
> answers he asked for.

So basically your complaint is that after 3 days (including the
weekend, so effectively 1 business day) it's not fixed yet.  Sorry, I
just cannot take your complaint seriously.  I'm not saying that
everything's perfect, but I know that debian-admin is working as hard
as they can.  I also know that James for example fixed nm.d.o on
Friday and worked on a very important issue which is more important
than any buildd (or than nm.d.o).  And he's away for the weekend.  Of
course, I'd like to see all issues fixed instantly; but not having
fixed something non-essential after one business day is not that bad,
given we have ~700 RC bugs.  Why don't you contribute something
worthwhile and complain about those people (to them), (or send in
patches, hint hint).

Yes, it would be nice if more people were working on our buildd
infrastructure.  Just giving root to every Debian developer so they
can fix their issues themselves is not going to work.  So we're left
with having well respected people doing the work.  So, contribute some
work, gain respect, and help fix the situation.  But with complaints
like these, people will just start ignoring you.

-- 
Martin Michlmayr
leader@debian.org