On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 02:06:51PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 11:49:17AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > Yes, it *is* annoying to wait "in the dark" and not know why your > > application isn't getting processed. (I should know, I've been through > > that before.) But public displays of impatience only makes the wait > > longer. (And possibly gives the DAM yet more reason to not work on > > your application---there isn't very much incentive, from the > > perspective of a DAM, to give accounts to people who repeatedly shows > > signs of impatience in public, whether or not said public image is > > accurate.) > > in that case, sack the DAM and get someone who's actually willing to do > the job that he volunteered to do. nobody voted to give troup veto > power over who gets to join debian, nobody voted to allow him to ignore > applications for months or years or however long it takes for NM's to > give up in disgust. if he won't do the job he volunteered to do then he > should get out of the way and let someone else do it. > > there's plenty of DD's who have volunteered to either help out or take > over the role, and who have been around for enough years to be trusted > to do it. > > this shit has gone on for far too long. it needs to be fixed. no more > worthless lies about how it'll get better soon when james has time to > deal with it. we all know they're just bullshit. this is not about > lack of time, it's about lack of inclination. NM's don't get approved > because troup doesn't want any new members in debian. that's the truth > and i'm damned sick of seeing people pretend that it's just overwork or > insufficient time. this goes beyond mere dereliction of duty, it is > deliberate abuse of his position as DAM to enforce his wishes on debian. > > so, we have two choices. we either fix it or we quit pretending that > debian even resembles a democratically run organisation with a > constitution and rules of association. This is my perspective, FWIW. I have been a loyal Debian user for over three years and I will continue to use Debian for the forseeable future. I've recently written a small application and it occurred to me that I should maintain it myself and help maintain some other packages if possible. I felt it was time to start giving back to the organization that has given me so much. I've been watching this list for about three months now. I'm not really in any hurry to become a DD and I know that I could start maintaining packages under sponsorship at almost any time. However, the prospect of an unbounded waiting period with no feedback has made me reconsider whether I really want to go through with it. If new DD's are not important enough to the organization to be given prompt and considerate attention (at least a timeline and some feedback), why should I join that organization? Existing DD's have volunteered to package my application and I could simply accept their offer without the extra stress. It would be nice if the new developer process had (1) a defined set of criteria and a test to see if the criteria is met, (2) a timeline and/or deadline for response at each step of the process, and (3) some feedback about the process. Without these, there will probably be many people who decide that it's just not worth the effort and stress. It would be a shame to continue losing these people. -- "Perhaps the most widespread illusion is that if we were in power we would behave very differently from those who now hold it -- when, in truth, in order to get power we would have to become very much like them."
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