Steve Langasek <vorlon@netexpress.net> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:15:37PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> 1. To show others, especially NM's, what not to do. NM's mostly learn >> by example, and I think it helps to ensure they don't follow bad >> examples. > >> 2. It's something that should be obvious. Producing poor quality >> changelogs shows a real neglect for the quality of Debian overall, >> and they deserve to be publicly reprimanded. > > "Obvious" is a key word indicating that you need to check your > assumptions at the door. While I will certainly concede that changelogs > that spell out the nature of relevant upstream changes are more useful > than those which do not, the only argument extended that persuades me > it's worth extra effort on my part is that it impacts the work of our > long-suffering Security Team. It disappoints me that anyone would > consider this such a serious offense that it justifies prolonged > flogging on a public mailing list. > > While using the changelog to close bugs without explaining what was done > or to close bugs that were not fixed by the upload in question should > not be tolerated, That was the case in this thread. > you're getting upset about bug closings that absolutely *do* include a > description of what the maintainer changed in order to fix them: > incorporating a "new upstream release". That this is too succinct for > some applications does not make it "changelog abuse". I'll concede this point, though I still think we should encourage maintainers to spell out upstream fixes in the changelog. > Nor, BTW, is it changelog abuse to have forgotten to close a fixed bug > in the changelog: your hard-line stance invites maintainers to simply > close *all* bugs manually after upload, which makes the changelog a > much less useful tool on many levels. Hmm, I don't understand. Every bug that has been fixed should be closed in the changelog when possible. If a maintainer forgets, then close it manually with a note mentioning in which version it was fixed. When did I say otherwise? -- Poems... always a sign of pretentious inner turmoil.
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