On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:38:29AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:20:25PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > If lists.debian.org were to upgrade to SA 2.4x, I'd bet on a serious > > reduction in spam. Going to moderation style lists is simply > > unnecessary. > > No, this is not moderation-style, this is *semi*-moderation. Only a > very small fraction of all messages will be moderated: Those who have > a score higher than "Y". > > My proposal does not depend on what spamassassin version we are using. > > If we have a better SA, we can, at our choice, make moderator's work > easier, or reduce the spam level even more by reducing the level at > which messages are moderated. > > A different SA version will not change the fact that the probability > of a message being spam increases as its SA score increases. What > I propose is to moderate messages which have more than, say, 80% of > probability of being spam. Currently this happens at a score of 2.0 > approximately. Here's an idea. Instead of moderating messages with scores over 2 or 3, set up a TMDA type system, where high scoring messages from users that have never posted or subscribed are bounced back with a message asking them to reply with a "password", or reply to a different address, or visit a webpage or something. When they do, they are added to the whitelist and can post freely. This one-time delay would only apply to suspect spammers. Why should _we_ check mails manually for spamminess? Why can't we make the user prove to us he's not a spammer. Some will argue that this kind of system is incredibly obnoxious and annoying. I agree. However, lots of spam is incredibly annoying too. I hate it when people install this kind of system on their personal e-mail, but properly configured on a mailing list, this could be quite beneficial. > > Plus, I feel that moderation takes away from the overall "openness" of > > the Debian project. Sure, only slightly spammy messages are moderated, > > but still, it reduces the community feel. > > Spam also reduces the "community feel". When I see a spam on a debian > lists I think: Who invited this guy to write here? > > Debian should not be open to spammers and a small delay in spammy > messages will not reduce the "community feel", it will increase it > since we will have less spam. Small delay? We're talking many hours, most likely. Realistically, we aren't going to have moderators working 24/7. You may have many volunteers to moderate now, but it'll all wear off after a few weeks, and you'll be short on volunteers that really want to perform this very boring and time consuming task. Even if it's not as consuming as I think it would be, it's more consuming than my proposal, which is automated. -- Duncan Findlay
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