Re: RFC: Debian an die Schule
On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 09:50:51AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Gregor Hoffleit wrote:
> > I still have to work through the available documentation of the various
> > projects that already exist. Anyway, since my impression was that there
> > is some interest in supporting use of Debian at schools, I registered a
> > project "Lernux (Debian for schools)" at sourceforge.net:
> Did you checked also
> http://www.pingos.schulnetz.org
Yep, also already in my wwwoffle cache ;-), like about 25 other sites with
informations and projects related to Linux in German schools. FWIW, I'll
list them on the Lernux page ASAP.
> > projects, my current impression is that it makes no sense to come up
> > with just another project to propagate Linux in schools. Instead,
> > we should coordinate with them and see how Debian can help them with
> > their goal.
> ... that's why I think we should work on the existing project PingoS.
>
> Someone said that it would be Suse oriented but that seems not to be
> true, because someone was happy that I offered help by packaging
> Debian packages of the software interesting for the project.
>
> Also Michael Bramer (which pointed me to the project) is subscribed to
> the mailing list of the project.
Thanks, this kind of feedback is exactly what I intended the lernux forums
for--IMHO that's stuff that's not directly related to debian-jr, it may be
quite German biased (language, ISDN etc.pp.). If you all tell me debian-jr
is a better place for this, I'm happy with this, too!
> > Certainly, this includes lobbying Debian and our view of free software
> > and its advantages with those projects.
> While prefering Debian myself we should not start just another distribution
> flamewar in those projects. Lets just *show* the power of Debian. People
> will decide themselves if we are good.
While I'd like to agree with you, in the current reality, "show them the
power of Debian" seems to happen only very rarely. That's what I mean with
lobbying Debian and free software.
Now if e.g. www.linux-magazin.de writes
"Bei linux.de muss sich die Schule registrieren lassen und erhält eine
kostenlose SuSE-Distribution, den ODS/Heise- Kommunikationsserver oder
eine Lizenz der web-basierten Terminplanungsoftware CyberScheduler für
jeweils fünf Benutzer. Im Bestellformular auf der Website von linux.de
ist noch die SuSE-Distribution 6.0 angegeben. SuSE versichert jedoch,
das immer die Vorgängerversion der aktuellen Distribution verteilt
werde. Momentan gibt es also SuSE 6.2. Linux.de schließt außerdem nicht
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aus, dass sich künftig auch andere große Distributoren als Sponsoren des
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Projektes engagieren könnten. Das Schulenprojekt von linux.de soll ganz
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bewusst keine Anlaufstelle für Support oder Diskussionen ein. Das
Anliegen der Initiative besteht nur darin, Schulen mit Linux-
Distributionen auszustatten [1]."
and www.linux.de/schulen/ says:
"Moechten sie ebenfalls den Einsatz von Linux an Schulen foerdern und
wuerden gerne eine groessere Anzahl Linux-Produkte kostenlos an Schulen
in Deutschland anbieten? Dann schicken Sie uns doch eine kurze
Nachricht, sie erhalten dann weitere Informationen.
...
(Dieses Angebot richtet sich nur an Schulen, nicht an Schueler oder
Studenten)"
this is IMHO a point where Debian could need some kind of lobbying.
> > But then, depending on the feedback, it may happen that we realize that
> > we need to strip down or enhance the distribution in order to better fit
> > the goals, and that this is something that need not happen inside Debian
> > (e.g. we might consider taking Corel's distribution as base to get a
> > lightweight Debian).
>
> Might be good in the first stage but in the long run I'd prefer the
> tasks idea introduced in the Debian-jr thread.
I completely agree with you here.
Gregor
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