Re: Ubuntu Gaming Team
Le 01/05/2009 à 11:19, Emmet Hikory a écrit :
>
> Alain Baeckeroot wrote:
> > Le 01/05/2009 à 09:23, Evgeni Golov a écrit :
> >> On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:41:46 +0900 Emmet Hikory wrote:
> >>
> >>>> - Create a 'games-swat' team for the triage of game bugs in Ubuntu.
> >>>> - Create a 'games-swat-bugs' mailing list.
> >>>> - All bugs reported against game packages in Ubuntu are subscribed to
> >>>> team and email sent to the 'games-swat-bugs' mailing list.
> >>>> - People join the 'games-swat' team.
> >>>> - People subscribe to the 'games-swat-bugs' mailing list which using
> >>>> filters will allow quick isolation of game bugs that a person can then
> >>>> look at and maybe assist with.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is similar to how X Swat works and I feel would be a good way for
> >>>> those 'volunteers' interested in helping with game bugs in Ubuntu to get
> >>>> exactly what they want and nothing else for triage or fixing. How this
> >>>> interacts with Debian is a further discussion but may increase the speed
> >>>> of bugs reports over to Debian and possibly fixes. It may also encourage
> >>>> people to develop directly as part of the joint Debian/Ubuntu
> >>>> development team.
> >
> > Why is it need to split ?
> > What problem would be solved with this new organisation ?
>
> Rather, please consider Philip's outline as the set of things that
> would be effective for bug triage in Ubuntu. I'm certainly not
> proposing that the organisation be split, but rather just that we might
> want to adopt the model of being bug contacts and sending the bugs to a
> mailing list to increase visibility into Ubuntu bugs.
>
> > My experience with ubuntu bug reports is :
> > - ubuntu tools are ill configured : reportbug and reportbug-ng send bugs to
> > debian, where they go to /dev/null as they are ubuntu bugs , not debian ones.
>
> The recommended tools for Ubuntu bug reports are apport and
> ubuntu-bug.
* ubuntu-bug is not in gutsy which will live longer than 9.04.
* apport - automatically generate crash reports for debugging.
I didn't thought it was a tool for reporting bugs.
It is not a rant against ubuntu, just my (bad) experience of spending
useless time for doing nice bug reports which end in trash (they
were related to servers, not games), even sending configuration bugfixes
that are not included, so i have to maintain my patches...
<snip>
>
> > I have the strange feeling that this is an atempt from ubuntu to take
> > control over game team, when i think ubuntu should reinforce debian
> > instead (debian is ubuntu's mother, historically and technically)
>
> In no way at all. The members of the now-defunct "MOTU Games" team
> in Ubuntu all joined the Debian Games team back in 2007, and I think
> we've all been cooperating effectively without significant
> distribution-related friction since. As much as anything, I didn't see
> the point of creating a new "Ubuntu Games SWAT Team" when most of the
> people that maintain games packages in Ubuntu are already members of
> this team, so I thought I'd bring that discussion to the attention of
> the team, and ask how people generally felt about a model where we were
> subscribed to the bug reports for the packages we maintain.
Sorry to have misunderstood the aim of your proposal, which seems to be
clarifiyng bug flow for better efficiency in ubuntu and debian :-)
I'll go on sending bug reports to debian (sorry i avoid ubuntu when i can),
and do tiny thing upstream for the one game i'm involved in.
Alain.
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