>>>>> "Jules" == Jules Bean <jmlb2@hermes.cam.ac.uk> writes: Jules> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DFSG is a red herring... Jules> This is only going to non-free, right? Thank-you for saving me from yelling, Jules :) The jdk is, was and always will be *non-free*. This will not change, no matter what licence SUN uses as they don't want Redmond fragmenting the Java trade-mark (something any DFSG-compliant licence would allow). -- Stephen "A duck!"