Re: HTML instead of GNU Info?
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- Subject: Re: HTML instead of GNU Info?
- From: karlheg@cathcart.sysc.pdx.edu (Karl M. Hegbloom)
- Date: 09 Jul 1999 00:14:56 -0700
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- In-reply-to: John Goerzen's message of "21 Jun 1999 15:00:44 -0500"
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>>>>> "John" == John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> writes:
John> Ben Pfaff <pfaffben@msu.edu> writes:
>> Correct. You have to get the .texi files, generally from the
>> source packages, to be able to print them nicely.
`texi2pdf' doesn't do too bad...
John> Right, which is the whole problem. You can't generate nice
John> output from the package as-is.
I think that's deliberate.
People waste too much paper on things they print out on ungreppables
and then only read once. With `info', (or at least man pages) you've
got the docs right under your fingertips inside your text editor or
from a command shell. You can search for a regexp in an info
document by pressing the `s' key and typing a search expression. It
will recurse down the document's whole heirarchial info tree looking
for your findit. You can put the cursor on a function call, and use
`info-look' or `cperl' to find it in the libc or perl5 info almost
instantly, with no mousing around digging for menu clickers.[1] If
you can look it up quickly like that, it is less likely to break your
train of thought and distract you from your coding task.
(<gripe/... to configure Apache, since it didn't work right when you
try to search, or to wait around to find that `kfm' sits forever
spinning the lone gear rather than showing you the man page it took
five minutes to learn the URL to./ Emacs Makes A Computer Super.[2])
With HTML you've got to start a browser and to search HTML, you need
a web server with CGI and glimpse or suchlike. And there's no cursor
to put on it for dictionary/man lookups or paste-ins. Thus, HTML is
much less conveinient, and inferior, IMO. Yes, `info' could be made
to look nicer on the screen... on a GUI. Many of us need both X11
and terminal access to manuals.
You can't search a printed page. Get a laptop. Quit killing trees
and go sit under one.
@wishforit{It sure would be neato to have `hyperdvi' quality output
inside an emacs info reader, wouldn't it? and/or a much faster
W3/info mode...}
Footnotes:
[1] If you can remember where a menu is, you can remember what the
command is called. The menu should tell you what command to
type.
[2] ... and email writers more verbose.
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