has anybody approached tigert to ask him would he consider having a go at it? i really respect him for the work he has done with the gnome people, although i suspect he's rather busy with that at the moment as they approach a 1.0 release, and may not want to take on extra work. the gnome logo is just brilliant though. -vinny -- Vincent Murphy | CompSci Undergrad, UCC | theDon@cs.ucc.ie | (086) 8397405