Re: LSB?

[Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>]

On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Joseph Carter wrote:

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> 
> > The test suite under discussion is completely the product of TOG, as a
> > "favor" to the LSB. I made my objections to the chair of the LSB Committee
> > when TOG first suggested the name of the test suite, but (as usual) my
> > objections were ignored ;-)
> 
> Figures.  =>
> 
> 
> > The FHS test suite was suggested, soon after the license was resolved on
> > the POSIX test suite produced by TOG. With the current license, we can
> > "pick and choose" from the test suites available, those tests that suit
> > the needs of the LSB. So, it really doesn't matter if TOG insists on
> > misnaming the test suite, we can still use it as we please, within the
> > constraints of the Artistic license.
> 
> Why then did the release info indiciate this was the first version of a
> LSB compliance test suite but wasn't finished yet so we can't claim based
> on it that we're compliant?  The FUD was not in a Slashdot article, it
> was on the page which you download the thing from.  Essentially, anyone
> not part of the (AFAIK never opened to the public) LSB mailing list would
> read this exactly as I did.  And in fact that's what they did read,
> before I even knew there was a release.

My point is that you failed, and continue to fail, to recognize the
ownership of the location you "download the thing from", which is not the
LSB web site, but the site of "The Open Group", and TOG is _not_ the LSBC.

> 
> 
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> > 
> > I strongly suggest you do better research, next time you think you should
> > badmouth someone else's work. There are some very quality folks working on
> > the LSB, and you denigrate their efforts when you draw the unsubstantiated
> > conclusions you presented above.
> 
> I consider this unfair at the very least.  Before the LSB project was
> created there was an irc meeting which was held somewhat in secret,
> though I heard about it.  I attended about half of that meeting based on
> what I know and there I offered to help.  My offer was rejected then.  I
> tried to follow the project afterward, but information was kept internal
> and the only way I could follow anything was by reading public archives
> of a private list, which I wasn't even aware of until such time as things
> started happening which lead to Bruce Perens leaving the LSB project.

All of which is old news. So what?

> 
> When the LCS project was formed I joined the list with the hopes of being
> able to help where I could and at least follow development of the
> project.  When LCS was merged back into LSB, people like me were left out
> in the cold.  No information since has been exactly released to the
> public, though I have been watching for it.
> 
While people like you may have been "left out in the cold", there was
plenty of effort to announce the new list organization. Everything
released by the LSBC is available at the linuxbase web site and has been
since shortly after "the reorganization".


> Then when the LSB project releases something and I go to check it out and
> read lots of stuff, much of it alarming and what you call FUD and bring
> it up here offering once again to do something, you tell me I haven't
> done my research.  I read the page attached to the official release.  If
> that page is in error it is not my error.
> 
Your error is in assigning authorship to the LSBC. 

> I propose the LSB project stop releasing FUD if they don't want it spread
> and that they stop keeping people who would like to at least follow the
> project and help it succeed where they can from doing so.
> 
To my knowledge no one has ever been "turned away" who has offered to help
with LSB work, not even TOG. If you realy wish to help then stop spreading
FUD. 

Luck,

Dwarf
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