This is probably a known problem, but i did not see it in my browsing of the mailing list archives. It seems sawfish 0.33.1 does not load debian-menu ...this is using the non-gnome (plain) sawfish package as well as compiling rep/gtk-rep/sawfish by hand .. and then trying the cvs . all of them wont load the debian-menu. Can anyone point me in the right direction? it worked with 0.30.x ?