Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome
Josselin Mouette writes ("Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome"):
> Le mardi 23 octobre 2012 à 15:16 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > 2. Our intent, as stated in the rationale section of our previous
> > decision (#681834, paras 3 and 5), is that squeeze users who have
> > gnome installed but not network-manager do not find that
> > network-manager becomes installed when they upgrade to wheezy.
>
> There lies the real disagreement.
>
> Our very intent is that squeeze users who have gnome installed but not
> NM *do* find that NM becomes installed when they upgrade to wheezy.
Thank you for stating this so clearly.
I'm not sure there's much more to be said about this. I would like to
remind my colleagues on the TC that these users are users who have
deliberately chosen to disregard the recommendation of n-m. (And yes,
I do mean also users who have globally disabled recommends.)
So as I have said we face a clear choice between respecting the
explicit decisions of our users, and the strongly expressed views of
the maintainer. There can be only one answer to this, surely ?
> Everything else Ian and you have proposed derives from the fact that you
> want to force NM out.
What I want is for users who have forced NM out to have that decision
respected. I am entirely happy for NM to remain the default.
> > B 4. We overrule the decision of the meta-gnome maintainers to add a
> > B dependency from gnome to network-manager-gnome; this dependency
> > B should be replaced with a dependecy on network-manager-gnome (>=
> > B 0.9.4) | wicd.
>
> Seriously, WTFF? Is it just a show-off option to make us think it’s
> better to use a Recommends instead?
As I have said I think this option is a bad idea. But it has arisen
as a result of attempts by my colleagues on the TC to find a
compromise position between your view, and mine. In the absence of
clear and technically-grounded statements from the GNOME maintainers
this has been happening in a vacuum, with my colleagues apparently
guessing what your objectives are.
> And as for Ian’s hateful prose…
>
> > 8. We specifically forbid anyone from introducing in wheezy, or
> > in sid until wheezy is released:
> > a. Any new or enhanced dependencies, or any other mechanisms,
> > which increase the likelihood of network-manager being
> > installed;
> > b. Any new or enhanced user-facing warnings, imprecations, or
> > other kinds of message regarding the alleged desirability or
> > requirement to install network-manager;
> > c. Any change which in any way impairs (or further impairs) the
> > functioning of systems with GNOME components installed but
> > without network-manager;
> > d. Any change which is contrary to the spirit or intent of either
> > our previous resolution in #681834 or this resolution.
> > without first obtaining the permission of at least one member of
> > the Technical Committee.
>
> Does it really need commenting?
I'm glad to hear that you don't intend to do any of these things.
Thank you. Then there is no need for us to say so explicitly that you
shouldn't.
Ian.
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