Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

[Martin <smartin@disroot.org>]

Hi Birzhan,
Unfortunately it's all legal, the debian social contract was even 
officially changed to make this degradation real - justifying once again 
the reason why GNU community is not supporting debian project: 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04

Cheers!
Martin

On 8/28/23 02:38, Birzhan Amirov wrote:
> Additionally,
>
> I've just checked the DVDs of 12.1.0 and 11.6.0, and it looks like all 
> the DVDs of 12.1.0 are labeled like the following:
> `Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-{X} with 
> firmware 20230722-10:49`, where X is the DVD number.
>
> ---
>
> However, the releases of 11.6.0 are labeled as the following:
> `Debian GNU/Linux 11.6.0 _Bullseye_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-{X} 
> 20221217-10:40`, where X is the DVD number.
> Notice how there is no string "with firmware" in these labels.
>
> At the same time, when looking at a community version of 11.6.0 DVD, 
> which contains non-free firmware, that's exactly how it's labeled:
> `Debian GNU/Linux 11.6.0 _Bullseye_ - Unofficial amd64 DVD Binary-1 with 
> firmware 20221217-10:46`.
> Notice that the string "with firmware" is present in the label of the 
> DVD with non-free firmware.
>
> ---
>
> I'm still trying to understand what that's supposed to mean.
> Are you `Officially` non-free software now, or is it some insider attack 
> trying to compromise your integrity?
> Do you have an `Official` way to de-poison your release, and if so, is 
> it published as a document?
>
> Regards, John.
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 4:12 PM Birzhan Amirov <john.amirov.83@gmail.com 
> <mailto:john.amirov.83@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Debian CD Images team.
>
>     I decided to switch to the latest version (12.1.0), and encountered
>     the following issues:
>
>     1) Looks like this DVD image:
>     https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
>     <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/>
>     https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso>
>     which is supposed to be Free Software only, actually contains 3rd
>     party non-free firmware.
>     The way I discovered it was that my 6th gen Lenovo ThinkPad x1
>     carbon wifi card started working, while with 11.6 and prior it
>     didn't have the firmware and was disabled because of that.
>
>     This image is labeled as
>     "Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1
>     with firmware 20230722-10:49".
>     Was there some kind of mistake when publishing the images?
>
>     2) Also, when I tried to download this disk [DVD-1] using jigdo, I
>     ended up getting an image of the first disk that wasn't bootable.
>
>     Thanks and Regards, John Amirov.