> If by default all users are in group "users", then the umask must be > 022 or the more paranoid 077. Well, neither your initial checkin nor my suggested rewrite say this (that is, they didn't leave open 077 as a possibility). Why should we standardize umasks? I really don't see what it has to do with application portability (or ability to coexist nicely in a network or other things which should be part of a standard).