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Bug#737311: marked as done (apt remove iceweasel tries to remove all my desktop environment packages)

Your message dated Sat, 1 Feb 2014 17:07:15 +0100
with message-id <20140201160714.GA4853@crossbow>
and subject line Re: Bug#737311: apt remove iceweasel tries to remove all my desktop environment packages
has caused the Debian Bug report #737311,
regarding apt remove iceweasel tries to remove all my desktop environment packages
to be marked as done.

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--- Begin Message --- 
Package: apt
Version: 0.9.7.9+deb7u1
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,
*** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

I simply ran apt-get remove iceweasle and apt asked me if I wanted to 
remove gnome-desktop-environment.

Here's the exact command and teh prompt I received.


root@flexo:~# apt-get remove iceweasel
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gnome gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment iceweasel
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 10.7 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 

-- Package-specific info:

-- apt-config dump --

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-- (no /etc/apt/preferences present) --


-- /etc/apt/sources.list --

deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 7.3
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages apt depends on:
ii  debian-archive-keyring  2012.4
ii  gnupg                   1.4.12-7+deb7u3
ii  libapt-pkg4.12          0.9.7.9+deb7u1
ii  libc6                   2.13-38
ii  libgcc1                 1:4.7.2-5
ii  libstdc++6              4.7.2-5

apt recommends no packages.

Versions of packages apt suggests:
pn  apt-doc     <none>
ii  aptitude    0.6.8.2-1
ii  dpkg-dev    1.16.12
ii  python-apt  0.8.8.2
ii  synaptic    0.75.13
ii  xz-utils    5.1.1alpha+20120614-2

-- no debconf information

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message --- 
On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 08:10:38AM -0600, doug wrote:
> I simply ran apt-get remove iceweasle and apt asked me if I wanted to 
> remove gnome-desktop-environment.

This is the correct behavior as:
gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome depends on gnome-core depends
on iceweasel. So by removing iceweasel this dependency chain is broken
and these packages have to be removed as well.

Note that these mentioned gnome-* packages aren't "all my desktop".
They are packages which ensure that you get the complete GNOME
experience, by installing everything which should be part of this
experience.

Your request to remove iceweasel is in fact a wish to derive from this
"complete experience" by picking your own experience – which just by
'chance' is very similar to the gnome experience and just excluding
iceweasel.

Removing those mentioned gnome packages therefore doesn't destroy your
desktop. You can still use it as before - and it will keep being like
this. As this is the other notworthy effect: If in the future the GNOME
experience is enhanced by a super-awesome-all-batteries-included
application you might not get it automatically installed as you no
longer follow the "true way of using GNOME".


You might want to ask the developers of GNOME and/or the maintainers of
it why they think this or that must be part of this experience they
envision you to have, but regardless of their answer your package
manager can only act on the information it has – and this information
says that iceweasel is needed to experience GNOME correctly.


That being said, I don't use GNOME, so I have no idea what the
experience should be, but that it is the best one is what the
description of package "gnome" says… and for full disclosure,
I am also a happy iceweasel user; but as neither is a bug in apt,
I am closing this bugreport as not-a-bug.

Still, thanks for your report, even if I close it, and
I hope it is clear now why I do it.


Best regards

David Kalnischkies

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