The new perl packages in hamm have a conflict+predepends loop, Package: perl-base Version: 5.004.04-4 Conflicts: perl (<<5.004.04-2) Package: perl Version: 5.004.04-4 Pre-Depends: perl-base (>=5.004.04-2) There is actually no way to install these two packages without removing perl in the case where perl is already installed and fails perl-base's conflicts. Are we going to allow this? It adds significant complexity to Deity's ordering routines. Jason