Re: Debian Women lunch @ DebConf 18

[u <u@451f.org>]

Hi!

Miriam Ruiz:

> 2018-08-07 19:56 GMT+02:00 Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>:
> 
>>> There was a proposal to merge the debian-women mailing list with the
>>> future debian-diversity list. Several reasons for this proposal:
>> [...]
>>> - it nowadays seems too restrictive to reduce the list to people who
>>>   identify as women instead [...]
>>
>> while I agree with this reasoning I'd like to point out that this list
>> when it was started was open to all, as was the Debian women project
>> when it was started 13-14 years ago at DebConf4+5.
> 
> I have always understood the Debian Women project as project inside
> Debian that works to promote the involvement of more women in its
> development. Thus, in my opinion, it still be open to everyone that
> wants to work along these lines. While I think that the original text
> from Ulrike can be perfectly understood in that sense (and while
> making it also clear that I personally agree with the proposal), I
> think that maybe it might be more clear if, instead of::
> 
> """
>  it nowadays seems too restrictive to reduce the list to people who
>   identify as women instead of opening it up to a diversity of genders
>   (female, nonbinary, queer, genderfluid, gender*) and have a more
>   intersectional approach to underrepresented groups.
> """
> 
> it would be read as:
> 
> """
>  it nowadays seems too restrictive to reduce the list to just people who
>  want to promote the involvement of more people who identify as women
>  in the development of Debian, instead of opening it up to working towards
>  the involvement of more people who might identify with a diversity of genders
>  (female, nonbinary, queer, genderfluid, gender*) and have a more intersectional
>  approach to underrepresented groups.
> """

Thanks for clarifying that. :) I agree.

I was trying to retranscribe the fact that the person who made this
proposal (me, actually) finds it too restrictive to solely involve more
people who identify as women. (While there are many more
underrepresented groups and possible gender (non)identifications.)

> Please, do not take this email in the wrong sense. I am not picky
> about the language used and I am perfectly okay with the text in the
> original email. I also don't want to complicate things in the name of
> linguistic or political correctness or anything like that. I just
> wanted to point out that, from the overall context of Debian, Debian
> Women and this mailing list, the original text did not have to be
> understood as a rejection of males. At least that's my point of view,
> of course. Others might think differently.

Absolutely.

Ulrike