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Re: "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post"



On 2008-12-23, Michael Banck penned:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:59:51PM -0700, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
>  
> The message was sent to -devel-announce, not -devel.
>
>> But I don't know if the message needs to be taken in context
>> with many other messages.  
>
> It was a more or less direct parody at the previous message, 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/11/msg00004.html
>
> I think most people believe that the sender of the message disapproved
> with the previous message being on -devel-announce (a list only meant
> for important announcements), and tried some parody on it.

Thanks for the clarification.  Now I think I have (most of) the
context for the message at issue.  With that context, I definitely
think that the message was simply an attempt at humor.  I don't find
it offensive, derogatory, or exclusionary.  I would have to think a
bit to decide where my line is drawn, but it's somewhere past the joke
email about SmellyWerewolf.  (I can think of specific examples when,
say, the guys in my guild have gone several football fields past my
line, but I don't care to repeat them here =)  )

>> Maybe this one message is weird and not so great, but taken in the
>> context of other messages I don't know about, the whole of it comes
>> across as unwelcoming?
>
> The problem is that -devel-announce is far more widely read and noticed
> than -devel (and only Debian Developers can send messages or sponsor
> message to be sent there), so inappropriate and off-topic messages on
> there are much more of a problem to the outside appearance Debian than
> inappropriate messages on -devel.  Inappropriate messages on -devel are
> a big problem for the internal working of Debian, though.

I see your point.  I think if I regularly read -devel-announce, I
would have been far more annoyed at the initial hosting spam than at
the followup joke spam.  But I would definitely consider both to be
unwanted spam.

-- 
monique

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