Bug#522683: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support
Hi Steve,
On Mon, April 6, 2009 05:44, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:06:15PM +0200, Bart Samwel wrote:
>> 1. The upstream for this package is Ubuntu. Ubuntu has never been very
>> cooperative at accepting changes, until recently: our contact Steve
>> Langasek has indicated that he is interested in merging most or all of
>> our changes, provided that we send them in in chunks, with proper
>> rationales.
>
> I have to say here in defense of Ubuntu that I don't see any record of
> these
> patches being submitted to the Ubuntu package via Launchpad, which, since
> Ubuntu does not have individual package maintainers, is the only reliable
> way to ensure that proposed changes are seen and considered by the people
> working on the package at any given time.
Yeah, I think it's probably mostly me being disappointed earlier, and not
so much the Ubuntu side. The feeling that I have had is that because there
are no individual package maintainers, it's hard to find somebody on the
other side who feels responsible for the package, and who is willing to
discuss merging of sets of patches etc., so that you can discuss the
chances of acceptance _before_ you do the work. It's so much easier if you
can talk to a person, launchpad sometimes feels like throwing stuff into a
black hole. </rant> Things suddenly got much easier when I got into direct
contact with you. But I shouldn't be blaming Ubuntu, my expectations just
didn't match the way Ubuntu works.
> I don't have time to work on the Debian package myself (either as
> maintainer
> or for sifting through the delta between Debian and Ubuntu), but I
> definitely am happy to accept fixes "upstream" in reasonable-sized chunks.
>
> Anyway, as Bart points out, there's another issue:
>
>> 4. Ubuntu is PHASING OUT this package. They have already moved suspend
>> to pm-utils (but have failed to remove suspend support from
>> acpi-support). They're currently moving hotkey translation to hal. This
>> means that soon we will have no upstream that we can follow! Or we
>> should ensure that Ubuntu's hal changes are included in our version of
>> hal as well -- no clue how those packages are related, or whether
>> Ubuntu's changes are going into upstream hal.
>
> Since the last time I had a chance to speak with Bart about this, there's
> been quite a bit of progress on phasing out the package for Ubuntu; in
> jaunty, we've dropped a number of quirk scripts related to suspend/resume,
> as well as close to 30 of the ACPI event-handling scripts from /etc/acpi -
> basically: all those scripts that were being used to synthesize key
> events (which doesn't work with recent kernels anyway) and which we could
> verify were being handled by hal.
>
> And yes, Martin Pitt works very closely with hal upstream to ensure fixes
> are incorporated.
Thanks for the update!
Cheers,
Bart
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