How about merging saytime with saydate? I am proposing to adopt the latter. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. The easiest way to win an argument: ridicule your opponent's basic assumptions by stating their negation and postfixing it with ", right?" GPG pub key: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087