Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> writes: > On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 13:27 +0100, Gard Spreemann wrote: >> Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> writes: >> >> > On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 18:47 -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: >> > > I think there are problematic uses of votes well beyond >> > > harassment >> > > though. >> > > >> > > * After this, I think the next vote is going to be about >> > > firmware. >> > > Do we want companies like Nvidia who may have opinions about how >> > > distributions should think about freedom looking at how people >> > > vote >> > > when they consider hiring DDs? >> > >> > They can already do the same for mailing list communication. Do we >> > want >> > to avoid this by making mailing lists non-public (subscribers only, >> > or >> > project members only depending on the list)? >> >> By this token, votes in democratic countries needn't be secret, >> because there are channels in which people publicly express their >> opinions. > > And indeed most votes are not secret such as: > > - votes in parliament or similar, > - votes by shareholders of publically traded companies, > - votes in general meetings of associations (maybe comparable to > the idea of GRs in Debian?), > - votes in many decision bodies. > > Some votes in these groups may be secret. > > Sometimes individual votes are only visible to members (say for people > present at association meetings); for Debian this might be comparable > to having the tally sheet only visible to project members. > > But you misunderstand the question: I asked why we insist on public > mailing lists if we are concerned about people possibly losing (or not > obtaining) jobs if they make their opinion known in some archived form. > There is no requirement to have lists such as -vote@ be a public list > if people feel unsafe if their opinion is publically archived. We don't insist on participation on those public mailing lists as a prerequisite in order to exercise one's constitutional right to vote on GRs or in leadership elections, though. -- Gard
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