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Re: Cancel "culture" is a threat to Debian




On 4/1/21 15:24, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-members
I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about
feelings of my opponents and so on.  Is that wrong for the Debian now?
You're not arguing, you're just "throwing" things and making noise in this list. You're also assuming bad faith from Debian members. Personally, I would already ban you, but Debian is still running in a circle called paradox of tolerance. If you feel hostility from Debian members, maybe it is you that is the issue - afterall, you're coming here and trying to influence our decision. Can you do that in Fedora? OpenSUSE? Any other community that you aren't part of? Why do you even feel the need to debate this in Debian?

Maybe some wording somewhere is strong
It doesn't matter.  The message is clear: do what we want or go out.
There is no clear message in a group of 2 people yet alone 1000+, especially when it comes to social issues (technical are hard too but not even remotely close as social ones). It is not that we are discussing someone who just joined the broad movement and made inappropriate comment (I yelled in Debian lists before and no one banned me yet, so there is a big tolerance here) - we are talking about a person who made it very uncomfortable for many (imagine rms commenting like that you mother/girlfriend/sister - would you really be okay with it?).

Yet you miss the point that he is shitty towards women
Not.  It's you, will miss that point next time, if woman
makes a similar support letter.
So, you're accusing women here? I really don't know where is our bar yet for you to be banned from list, but this is already pretty low.

Why?  Because it's how you analyze counter-arguments.
(https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00412.html - a good
example.)

I joined Debian because it is inclusive
The original goal of the Debian was not being inclusive,
but a free OS.  That's all debian users still expect from the project.

Sure, the same goal RMS and FSF tried to achieve, failed with Hurd and other things and then decided they will just be this orga that promotes things. Things change over time, so does Debian.

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