On 16:48 Tue 30 Mar , Santiago R.R. wrote: > El 30/03/21 a las 10:25, Milan Kupcevic escribió: > > On 3/30/21 10:10 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > On 3/30/21 14:15, Phil Morrell wrote: > > >>> Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project is unable to > > >>> collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which > > >>> Richard > > >>> Stallman has a leading position. > > >> Hi Santiago, > > >> > > >> I know this is more of a question about the original FSFE statement with > > >> this phrasing, but since you're amending it anyway I was wondering if > > >> you could expand upon the scope of this collaboration? preferably in the > > >> amendment text, but I understand if a list reply is more suitable. > > >> > > >> I'm not aware of any project level (i.e. funding, hardware or emails) > > >> interaction with the FSF, given the minor disagreement over the non-free > > >> archive. What about the GNU project? Are you asking DDs to only > > >> communicate and submit patches in a personal capacity? "unable to > > >> collaborate" implies there was collaboration before, so what exactly > > >> would the Debian project stop doing? > > > > > > Good question, we could probably amend that part with: > > > > > > "Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project discourages > > > collaboration both with the FSF and any other organisation in which > > > Richard Stallman has a leading position." > > > > > > > > > > > I would support this amendment. > ... > > For the matter of consistency, this is the full amended amendment: > > Choice X: Debian encourages working with groups that foster diversity > and equality > > === Begin text === > > Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the following > statement: > > Debian’s statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board > > We at Debian are profoundly disappointed to hear of the re-election of Richard > Stallman to a leadership position at the Free Software Foundation, after a > series of serious accusations of misconduct led to his resignation as > president and board member of the FSF in 2019. > > One crucial factor in making our community more inclusive is to recognise and > reflect when other people are harmed by our actions and consider this feedback > in future actions. Unfortunately, the way Richard Stallman announced his > return to the board lacks any acknowledgement of this kind of thought process. > We are deeply disappointed that the FSF board elected him as a board member > again, despite no discernible steps were taken by him to be accountable for, > much less make amends for, his past actions or those who have been harmed by > them. Finally, we are also disturbed by the secretive process of his > re-election, and how it was belatedly conveyed  to FSF’s staff and > supporters. > > We believe this step and how it was communicated sends a wrong and hurtful > message and harms the future of the Free Software movement. The goal of the > software freedom movement is to empower all people to control technology and > thereby create a better society for everyone. Free Software is meant to serve > everyone regardless of their age, ability or disability, gender identity, sex, > ethnicity, nationality, religion or sexual orientation. This requires an > inclusive and diverse environment that welcomes all contributors equally. > Debian realises that we and the Free Software movement still have to work hard > to be in that place where everyone feels safe and respected to participate in > it in order to fulfil the movement's mission. > > Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project discourages > collaborating both with the FSF and any other organisation in which > Richard Stallman has a leading position. Instead, we will continue > looking forward to work with groups and individuals who foster diversity > and equality in the Free Software movement in order to achieve our joint > goal of empowering all users to control technology. > >  https://status.fsf.org/notice/3796703 > > === End text === > > Zlatan & Santiago Seconded, thanks!
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