Bas Wijnen <wijnen@debian.org> writes: > First of all, thank you Sam for your calming words. Ditto. In my experience, nothing is gained when we allow emotion to get the better of reason in our involvement with Debian. > On the other hand, that means my replies are about several posts, and > are rather long. I choose to reply only to the portion in which you replied to me. > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:21:50AM -0800, Bdale Garbee wrote: >> Bas Wijnen <wijnen@debian.org> writes: >> >> > The only problematic part I see is that he gets carried away at times. >> > That's a very minor issue, and I forgive him, as long as he isn't >> > insulting people. >> >> He has certainly insulted me. >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/06/msg00040.html >> >> If you don't know me very well, I suppose you could be forgiven for not >> realizing just how deeply insulting I find the assertion that I have >> *ever* behaved dishonorably about *anything* involving Debian. > > I completely understand that, and how much, that hurts. I would feel > the same way. But it is not what I would call an insult. This may be a > language issue. To me, an insult is a statement that is made with the > purpose of hurting somebody. His statement was an expression of his > anger. Of course that hurts, and I'm sure he knows it does, but that is > not his reason for making the statement. He honestly believes that you > actually were dishonest. Of course, that makes it hurt even more. I agree with all you say here, except that in my culture, accusing an honorable man of a dishonorable act is not just an insult, it's one of a class of insult that in earlier times would have led inevitably to a duel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel). Fortunately, I have thicker skin than my ancestors, and I really enjoyed working with Ian during nearly 19 of the last 20+ years, so this makes me more *sad* than angry. > I am much in favour of keeping our communication civilized; I voted for > the CoC for that reason and I am happy to see it resulting it sanctions > for people who are insulting others repeatedly (by my definition). So... just out of curiosity, how do you reconcile Ian's assertions of dishonorable behavior on my part with item 2 in the Code of Conduct? > I would encourage the both of you to have a discussion about this (in > private)... I would be pleased to, but Ian made it clear that he doesn't want to receive emails from me. He also rejected my attempt to shake his hand and welcome him to my country at Debconf earlier this year. So, out of respect for his wishes, any further personal discussion between the two of us must await some overture from him. Bdale
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