Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > - To help voters choose, the following people should be able to
> > > require the Secretary to quote on each GR ballot form a URL
> > > of their choice, to be used by them for disseminating their vews on
> > > the vote:
> > > The Proposer of each resolution or amendment
> > > The Project Leader
> > > Each Delegate or group of Delegate(s) named or overruled
> > > A nominee of the Technical Committee
> > > A nominee of each Trusted organisation designated according to 9.3
> >
> > I agree with the intent but I don't agree with the list of persons you
> > selected. I would restrict it to:
> > - The proposer of each resolution or amendment
> > - The seconders of each resolution or amendment
>
> The point of this is to allow voters who do not wish to review
> thousand-message mailing list threads to get a clear summary of the
> issues from all of the relevant sides. That means that everybody
> relevant must be able to get their statement referenced but also that
> the number of such statements should be kept reasonably small.
How do you define "relevant"? The vote is run because someome proposed a
GR and X others have seconded it. They are relevant, it happened due to
them. Now as a voter I want to know their motivation and would like to
have a link to mail where they explain it.
> Anyone can make themselves a seconder simply by seconding something.
> So in principle this means that anyone who wants to can get their
> position statement referenced. Surely that can't be what you meant ?
Yes it is. It's also the reason that I don't want it to be on the ballot
itself but only on the vote page, available to people who are looking for
more background information on the proposal.
> Why did I list the Leader, named or overruled Delegates, the TC, and
> the Trusted organisations ? Because it might be that their decisions
> are being overruled or preempted. That means that they must have a
> right to be heard, alongside their `accusers' as it were.
It might be that a GR is about my job of administering alioth.d.o. Why am
I not listed ? :-)
Let's simplify and say that any time the GR is about overriding someone's
decision, then the overriden person/team can have a link to their own
position statement. But I don't see a reason to give any blanket
permission for all those parties to have their position statement
referenced.
> No, I would like the ballot paper to contain links to web pages
> controlled by each of the relevant people. A digested
> hopefully-coherent position paper, with references and other
> supporting material as the relevant people think appropriate, allows
> each side to do the best job it can of being convincing. That's quite
> different from getting a link to the middle of some flamewar.
I don't like the fact that the content of the page viewed is under
control of the person and might change during the vote. That's why I
wanted simple archived mails. But those mails should be readable on their
own without needing to read followup or history.
Cheers,
--
Raphaël Hertzog
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