Re: Results for future handling of the non free section GR
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:53:21 -0500, Buddha Buck <bmbuck@14850.com> said:
> I'd just like to comment that I find the output of the below list
> hard to read, and I'm one of the folks who helped recommend our
> current voting procedure.
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Starting results calculation at Mon Mar 22 00:03:07 2004
>> In the following table, tally[row x][col y] represents the votes that
>> option x received over option y.
>> Option
>> 1 2 3
>> === === ===
>> Option 1 169 199
>> Option 2 303 304
>> Option 3 260 156
> I think a format for the defeats table like:
> Option 2 defeats Option 1 by 303 votes to 169 votes Option 2 defeats
> Option 3 by 304 votes to 156 votes Option 3 defeats Option 1 by 260
> votes to 199 votes
> would have been easier to read.
This is a matter of opinion. I find the beats table as
originally depicted far cleaner -- and easier to read -- than the
more verbose format you prescribe.
But, there is no reason to just select one, as you suggest.
> While a similar table does appear later on, it doesn't give the vote
> counts, only the margins of victory.
That can, and has, been fixed.
> Even with this explanation, I had trouble reading the table above.
Well, Debian has _always_ had the beats matrix in tabular
form; and since some people (me, at least) find it easier to read, it
is not going away. For people who find an expanded matrix hard to
read, the information is presented later in the results page anyway.
> If Option 1 was dropped because of Majority, why is it listedin this
> table?
Because it is nice to know how the options rated relatively,
even without the majority requirements? Just having an option dropped
is very unsatisfying, and it is convenient not to have to calculate
it all from the beat matrix.
> For that matter, since Option 2 is clearly the Condorcet winner....
>> The Schwartz Set contains: Option 2 "Choice 2: Re-affirm support
>> for non-free"
> ...why are we looking at the Schwartz set?
Nice to know that the algorithm is working. In case of ties,
the result format would have more impact, as the schwartz set would
have more entries, and we can watch how defeats were eliminated.
I see no harm in presenting a Schwartz set with a single entry
in the case there is a clear winner.
manoj
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