On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 01:39:51PM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Yes, but had I disagreed with Branden, my opinion would've been noted > > and very quickly discarded. > > I think we are going personal here and i don't like to (since i am sure it > will endup in a flameware, <humor>want to bet Daniel that if it is not for > us, someone else will turn this it into a flame? ;)</humor>), but Thomas > Hood (236780-submitter) expressed his disagrement with Branden on a > certain decision and i don't read anywhere that Thomas is 'wrong'. YOU'RE AN IDIOT! CHUTUP MORMON (That, by the way, was sarcasm.) That was something Branden didn't really care about - if it was something Branden had a strong opinion on, it would've been a different story. > > If Branden is suggesting this style he used to manage one very active > > contributor (such as ignoring my emails asking about some issues and > > then flaming me for doing it 'wrong' when I had to do *something*), can > > be successfully expanded to cover the entire Debian project, we're in > > trouble. > [SNIP] > > Branden's reactions to my actions are what's in question here. > > I find perfectly normal that some people don't like other people and this > is true for all of us. It is simply part of the human nature. It happens > everywhere all the time.. at work, with friends and so on... > > And at this point you might also want to be fair towards all the > candidates. How would you interpret this mail from the current DPL? > http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2003/debian-project-200311/msg00116.html As being quite harsh. > (note that this reference is NOT meant to take credits away from anyone > but only to show that even Martin as Branden as everyone else has a human > side, as well all of you can just poke debian-apache for my flames.. > http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2004/debian-apache-200403/msg00220.html > oh yes.. i am human too. doh! ;)) Yeah, a quick application of Google will show I cannot moral-high-horse on this one. I don't have any real position on the flames, just on the fact that Branden is incapable of working with quite a few people - Martin seems to have pissed far less developers off than Branden. Of course, Branden is polarising (witness the 'Branden Fan Club'), for example, but I'd rather a DPL who could work quite well with all the people, than one who could work brilliantly with 20%, non-commitally with 40%, and not at all with another 40%. > Of course we do agree that who is going to take leadership of Debian will > have to behave impartially on top of his/her personal feelings, but I > don't think it is fair to point the finger to any of the candidates using > a single personal case. I don't think this is a single personal case; Branden said 'look how well I have managed the XSF, this is how well I'll manage Debian'. I felt I had to point out that this was not a good thing. -- Daniel Stone <daniels@debian.org> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org
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