Re: Debian/Trixie now "stable"
Hi Gary,
On Sun, Aug 10, 2025 at 05:10:37PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> I recognize that maintaining both network manager and systemd
> networking (and X11 and Wayland) is difficult, but perhaps we should
> be waiting until the newer technology reaches a mature enough state
> that it actually can match what the existing technology does.
I understand you have had problems but I don't know what you are
referring to with this "switch to systemd networking." ifupdown remains
the default networking stack with Debian 13, except where a desktop
environment is installed in which case it remains NetworkManager, as it
has been for years.
I am writing to you now from a newly installed Debian 13 laptop with
GNOME and NetworkManager which was the default provided after I selected
the GNOME desktop in the installer. I have more than 15 servers that
have either been newly installed with Debian 13 or upgraded from Debian
12; they started with ifupdown and continue to have ifupdown. I have no
idea how you would end up using systemd-networkd without choosing to do
so.
Alternate ways to configure your networking, such as systemd-networkd,
netplan, wicd, a heap of shell scripts, … would be something you'd have
to choose.
Possibly I am mistaken and there is some desktop environment that is
depending on systemd-networkd rather than NetworkManager, but you do not
say which you use.
I think you should probably try to tackle these problems one by one
starting with a return to NetworkManager if that is what you are used
to.
Also, here on debian-user we are just users like you so we can't do
anything to directly effect change in any Debian package or the Debian
project as a whole. We can only offer advice and support for solving
problems. If you think there's a problem with a package you will need to
identify the package and report a bug to its maintainer(s).
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
Thanks,
Andy
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