On Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 11:52:33AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Am Sa, Jun 28, 2025 at 10:11:09 +0900 schrieb John Crawley: > > > It is not the accepted meaning of the term. > > > https://github.com/mjg59/jargon/blob/master/bounce > > Mutt seems to have its own set of definitions which mutt users will need > > to grasp. > > I can assure you that mutt’s meaning of bounce is older than mutt. > Elm used this word and feature long before. I think I've tried to explain extensively. But I failed. Originally, bounce meant "MTA doesn't know how to pass on this message, so sending back to original sender". For reasons (also explained in this thread), this has come out of fashion. MUA "bounce" is not exactly the same (the user has a chance to specify *which* address to send the bounce to, for one), but technically so close (as much of the headers as possible remains unchanged), that calling it a bounce does make sense. So it is clear why Elm, Mutt and other civilised MUAs call it this way. But hey. That's my last attempt, since my loop detector is already at 11 ;-) Cheers -- t
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