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Re: package managers problem

On 6/20/23 00:20, Felix Miata wrote:

gene heskett composed on 2023-06-19 23:37 (UTC-0400):


paulf@q... wrote



On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 03:58:18 +0200 Anders Andersson wrote:



I've been watching this thread from afar for a while and it still
puzzles me why people keep bringing up wayland. I've been running
wayland for years, and synaptic works with no issues as far as I can
tell. Is this just FUD from a user that never tried it or is something
broken on that user's system?



A couple of years ago, I switched to Wayland temporarily and was unable
to run Synaptic (with an error message). The phenomenon is real. I
don't know how you manage it. But I don't recall anyone on this thread
besides you claiming it could be done.



I'm with you Paul, if Anders know how to do it, please PUBLISH the how.
For a while on bullseye, a "sudo -E synaptic" worked, then even that
died mid-bullseye, somebody plugged a perceived hole and didn't bother
to mention it to the many thousands of users.


Why is it Gene thinks any trouble he has has anything to do with Wayland? XFCE
doesn't run in Wayland. The only Wayland XFCE users must have is the foundation
Wayland requires from Xorg, which no one can be rid of (nor need to), except by
running an ancient distro from before Wayland support was stuffed into Xorg, or by
running MacOS, BSD, OS/2, Unix or Windows.
That needs a better explanation, Felix. As I see it, wayland can't run as root, so no app that needs root works with wayland. Since package managers with a gui need wayland, all the package managers that do have a gui, are now dead except gnome packages, a poor but usable substitute whose search function seems broken to me. The only way I've found to run aptitude is as text with the safe-upgrade option turned on, and this is well tested here on arm64's, but I still don't trust it on x86, its gone wild with no way to stop it on x86, tearing down the system to the point of having to re-install. I've run it on wintel stuff maybe 12 times, but touching the g key has equaled a reinstall every time. It does NOT preview what its going to do, it just does it. 4 times now. That's why I asked if it had been tamed. 

Take care and stay well Felix.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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