Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]
On Monday 30 December 2019 04:23:27 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward
> > acceptance of systemd [...]
>
> I'm not asking for "acceptance of systemd" or something (FWIW I
> still run a systemd-free Debian Buster here, for a reason!). I'm
> asking for a polite, civilised way of treating each other. And
> hopin this "LP" (sic!) bashing stops. Just treat each other civilly.
>
> Is that that hard?
>
> > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a
> > lost cause because [...]
>
> Please, don't misrepresent me. I *never* "chased anyone off" from
> asking raspbian. On the contrary: I think fringe-Deian questions
> to be on topic here, to get a feel on how different Debian derivatives
> relate to each other. But I know there are people who disagree.
>
> [about off-topic tangents]
>
> > I don't like it, helpfull folks like you don't like it. But thats
> > how it actually works.
>
> I actually do enjoy off-topic tangents, and think they belong into
> such general mailing lists as this. If it deviates too far from my
> interests, I just bow out politelly.
>
> What I really do care for is (a) to express disagreement in a civil
> manner (you don't like systemd? just don't use it, even better: help
> others with your experience. But don't mention LP [1] at every turn
> in the discussion as if he were the Devil incarnate. This is so wrong
> on so many accounts that I don't know where to start). And (b)
> always think that there are ~3000 readers of this list, so do fix
> your subjects when swerving off-topic. And, oh, (c) accept that there
> are other views, and that (gasp!) they might be right.
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] he's writing free software for you & me to use as we wish,
> after all, no?
>
> -- tomás
You and I agree that offtopic is still educational which is as it should
be as long as its still linux. Seeing new stuff mentioned here can and
has led to some very helpfull learning. And while I disagree with the
manner that systemd has been bleeding into linux, my attack of the
author was out of place. My apologies. But it sure would be nice if the
manpages were a little more obvious. :) Options seem to be well
explained but commonly used examples that one can play with to learn how
it works are thin. A good tut that passed as a manpage would likely
reduce the objection chatter a lot by showing that it can be a better
way to do things.
Take care Tomas
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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