Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)
On Monday 27 May 2019 11:18:49 pm Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:
> > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:42:52 pm Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-05-27 19:42:46)
> >>
> >> > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote:
> >> > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >> > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up
> >> > > > /that/ tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it
> >> > > > from my boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in
> >> > > > his LAN via an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out
> >> > > > there, out the window and said "oh, let's go online over
> >> > > > there" and obliterated my network setting in favor of some
> >> > > > seedy captive portal. That was when I decided that N-M and
> >> > > > me, we aren't made for each other).
> >> > >
> >> > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your
> >> > > description that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely
> >> > > it is to spontaneously occur, despite any and all user
> >> > > configuration or intervention.
> >> >
> >> > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug
> >> > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new
> >> > account at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the
> >> > username content rules have been changed and my username is now
> >> > invalid. And because it knows my email address, it won't let me
> >> > create a new account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am
> >> > locked out, so I rant on this list.
> >>
> >> Account? You need no account to report bugs in Debian:
> >> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
> >
> > So that indicates I should have apt install reportbug, so I did.
> > Configured it on 1st run. then became me and ran it again. It never
> > heard of NetworkManager or Network-Manager. WTH?
>
> Debian package names are all lower case, and for better or worse the
> package management software is case-sensitive.
A detail I had forgotten due to all the capitalization used to refer to
it publicly.
> snowball:532$ reportbug
> Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a
> problem, or type 'other' to report a more general problem. If you
> don't know what package the bug is in, please contact
> debian-user@lists.debian.org for assistance.
>
> > network-manager
>
> *** Welcome to reportbug. Use ? for help at prompts. ***
> Note: bug reports are publicly archived (including the email address
> of the submitter). Detected character set: UTF-8
> Please change your locale if this is incorrect.
>
> Using 'Joe Pfeiffer <joseph@pfeifferfamily.net>' as your from address.
> Getting status for network-manager...
> Checking for newer versions at madison...
>
> Your version (1.14.6-2) of network-manager appears to be out of date.
> The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive:
> experimental: 1.18.0-1
> Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already
> addressed by these releases. Do you still want to file a report
> [y|N|q|?]?
And this exposes something in debian's policy I object to, as strenuously
as I can. A newer version may well fix the bug, but its never given to
the users until they upgrade to the next release, and that brings a
never shrinking list of new bugs.
The withholding of showstopper bug fixes from a released version, by
putting them in an experimental category where only a very small inner
circle has access to them is not an impressive idea.
IMO a showstopper bugfix should be offered immediately to all releases
currently supported. The wheezy version of firefox may have been
marginally better than a horse with 3 broken legs, (another leg was
broken by each update as it was during wheezy) but we were denied the
improved versions as a matter of "policy". IMO, that sucks dead toads
thru soda straws. But I don't set policy. It is what it is, but thats
how this diehard fan of debian see's it.
TBT, I'd be happy paying say $100 year for a seat at the table where
serious bugs were fixed while the release was still alive. Not however
on a machine count basis as RH is doing. That would satisfy me as a good
TANSTAAFL compromise, and would, I'd think buy a longer ladder up the
side of the hog for the folks actually doing the work. I am sure they
would appreciate that!
> (at which point I entered a ^C since I didn't actually want to report
> a bug)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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