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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2018 : Issue 578
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: combining stable and testing [ Paul Murtaugh <murtaugh@science.ore ]
Re: Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols d [ Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> ]
Re: Mouse with extra buttons. How to [ Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> ]
Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's is [ Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com ]
A newer kernel for my genesi smartbo [ Robert Pommrich <LeProvokateur@gmx. ]
Re: USB Host-Host cables [ Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net ]
Re: Not power off after shutdown in [ Miroslav Skoric <skoric@eunet.rs> ]
Re: USB Host-Host cables [ Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> ]
Re: A newer kernel for my genesi sma [ deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> ]
Re: GCC 7 [ Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> ]
Re: Print Queues and KVM/virt-manage [ Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontre ]
[Solved] Re: Hardware decoding of vi [ Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> ]
NitroShare doesn't seem to work with [ Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> ]
Re: NitroShare doesn't seem to work [ Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> ]
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:46:02 -0700
From: Paul Murtaugh <murtaugh@science.oregonstate.edu >
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Re: combining stable and testing in sources.list
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Many thanks for all the responses. I plan to ease out of my personal
Frankendebian by just reinstalling. And I vow to be more careful about
copy-and-pasting stuff from websites into my //system files!
-Paul
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:18:25 +0200
From: Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+
3 in the same process is not supported
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On 13.06.2018 12:03, Piotr wrote:
> When I try to open the "mate-users-admin" from the terminal on Stretch
> I am getting such error and the app does not open:
AFAIK mate-users-admin is not available in stretch.
only in jessie (in package mate-system-tools).
Are you sure that you have an uptodate stretch system without
old packages from jessie?
best regards
Ulf
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:17:21 +0200
From: Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Mouse with extra buttons. How to configure them?
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:58:31 +0200, Piotr wrote:
> I got new mouse which has some extra buttons, but in standard Xfce4
> settings there is no way to configure some functions for them. Is
> there a software to do this? Can it be done in some configuration
> files?
xbindkeys may be used to assign any function to any mouse button,
including the 'extra' ones.
Instructions can be found in several places, for example here:
https://blog.hanschen.org/2009/10/13/mouse-shortcuts- with-xbindkeys/
Emulating key presses, using xte, which is part of the xautomation
package, is mentioned here. As an example, I have Ctrl+W ('Close')
performed by an 'extra' mouse button ('button 9' in my case) by
assigning this function to the button in xbindkeys-config:
/usr/bin/xte 'keydown Control_L' 'key W' 'keyup Control_L'
> Also how to change what clicking the wheel should do?
Clicking the wheel = button 2, scrolling up/down = button 4/5.
Furthermore, several mouse properties, such as the mouse cursor speed,
may be adjusted using libinput.
man 4 libinput
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:53:48 -0700
From: Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso.
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:57:27 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Monday 11 June 2018 16:50:39 Patrick Bartek wrote:
>=20
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:07:46 -0400
> >
> > Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: =20
> > > Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.
> > >
> > > All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been
> > > addressed. =20
> >
> > Good to hear. However, I never had any problem with my custom
> > install of Wheezy 5 years ago. Nor, for that matter, with Stretch.
> > Never bothered with Jessie.
> > =20
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out
> > > on the net and refresh the list of repo's in the sources.list. I
> > > have no clue if its because the network interface has been
> > > renamed from eth0 to enpsomething0, but it doesn't fetch the repo
> > > contents at all. Firefox was sent to look at a few sites, worked
> > > as expected so its not a network problem IMO.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt,
> > > does not explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists.
> > > So thats the next thing to fix.
> > >
> > > Can someone perhaps share a clue since I don't have one? =20
> >
> > Show /etc/apt/sources.list as well as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
> > files. =20
>=20
> Had a heck of a time, seems the 2 lower trays in the hotswap cage are=20
> still serviced with red sata cables, which are known to have only a=20
> 4 or 5 year life, something in that red dye eats the copper into a=20
> rusty looking powder. And thats the only 2 red cables left in this=20
> decade old system. All the other original build red cables are gone.
Good to know. All my sata cables are red. Came with the motherboard.
And this system like yours is 11 years old, although it's had
various upgrades (cpus, graphic cards, hard drives, power supply) since.
Fortunately, I've had no problems. However, next time I'm at the
computer store, I'm going to get new non-red cables. Can't hurt. Or,
maybe, I should build a NEW system. Nah! Against my frugal nature.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;-)
> So I have that drive back to hanging out of the machine and mounted=20
> on /media/sdcslash. On an orangish/tan cable. Black, blue, even green
> seem to be ok, but red may as well be tossed in the trash because you
> WILL eventually have to change it.
I only have two hard drives, both internal and no hotswaps. In any
case, hard drives, etc. shouldn't be causing your failure to reach the
Debian repos. You said your web browsing Internet connection worked
fine. Maybe, a firewall misconfigure or the repo you were trying to
reach was "down" or being updated itself at the time. Had that happen.
> So here is that sources.list:
> (wordwrapoff)
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD
> Binary-1 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main # deb cdrom:[Debian
> GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1
> 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main=20
>=20
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib=20
> # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free
> contrib=20
>=20
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
> contrib non-free # deb-src
> http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
> contrib non-free=20
>=20
> # stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib
> non-free # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates
> main contrib non-free=20
>=20
> # stretch-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib
> non-free # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports
> main contrib non-free =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Looks okay. Pretty much like mine at the moment. I did a clean
install of Stretch (hard drive pre-partiioned in Wheezy) a couple
weeks ago, dual boot with my now 5 year old unsupported Wheezy install
as a backup. Both on the same hard drive.
FYI: Neither of my Debian installs are "stock' or UEFI. MBR only. And
Stretch is chainloaded from Wheezy's grub which is on the MBR. Learned a
long time ago, not to mix-n-match distro grubs or lilos. I started with
a net-install disk base terminal only system, and built up from there.
However, I have no desktop. Just a window manager (Openbox), menus,
and a single LXPanel. Network configured automatically during install.
Didn't have to do a thing. Refreshing. PS: Converted to sysvinit as
init after base install, but kept all the systemd libraries as
dependencies. No problems, so far.
> Now the sources.list.d contents: But its empty. Will have trinity r14=20
> in it shortly as I'm quite used to TDE, its a Just Works desktop. That
> will bring in kmail so I can copy all my custom scripts over, and=20
> actually start making stretch do my things.
Don't use desktops. Installs too much crap I don't need or will
ever used. Resource hogs. All of them. Have heard good things about
Trinity as desktops go.
> /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty
> /etc/apt/trustedgpg seems to have the usual suspects for wheezy,
> jessie, and stretch.
>=20
> Anything else you need to see while I'm trying to corral some more
> sata cables that are NOT red?
No. My /etc/apt/ is pretty much the same as yours at the moment,
except VirtualBox's repo (I downloaded the installer directly from
VB's site) is https as is Google's chrome's under preferences.list.d.
So, I needed to install apt-transport-https for them to work. I will
eventually convert all my repos to https and httpredir those that I
can. Make sure everything works first before making a change, I say.
> Oh, is ifconfig and route on the first dvd? Its possible theres
> something wrong with the networking but I don't have the old
> standby's to show me. ip route looks sane but I'm the old hippy who
> has not yet seen that this "ip" stuff can actually replace ifconfig.
=46rom my reading ifconfig, etc. have been abandoned, in favor of a new,
improved technique (they say). Below are a few links to the new Debian
network configuring. Hope it helps you solve your non-responsive
repo problem.
By the way, when you do an 'apt update' do you get any output?
Also, you are doing this as 'root', yes? Or sudo? I don't have sudo
set up on my system. Consider it a security risk.
I know you don't want to hear this, what with all the time you've
spent trying to make things work, but have you considered just
reinstalling everything with all the hardware set up as you want it to
see if it works?
Best of Luck.
B
Informational Links:
https://tomsalmon.eu/2017/12/debian-9-stretch-systemd- network-interface-nam=
es/
https://www.serverlab.ca/tutorials/linux/ administration-linux/how-to- config=
ure-debian-9-network-settings/
https://tecadmin.net/setup-network-interface-on-ubuntu- debian-and-linuxmint/
https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_ use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802=
.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:25:36 +0200
From: Robert Pommrich <LeProvokateur@gmx.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: A newer kernel for my genesi smartbook
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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Hi,
I am a still proud owner of a genesi smartbook.
It is still running wheezy with a kernel in version 2.6.31 with Uboot as
boot loader.
Someone told me, that the hardware should be supported by now by a
mainline kernel.
I don't know how to find out, if the hardware is really supported, nor
how to build a mainline kernel and integrate it with Uboot.
Please help me.
Best regards,
Robert
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:50:51 -0500
From: Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: USB Host-Host cables
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On 06/13/2018 09:57 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 06:29:33AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I have purchased a USB Host-Host cable based on the PL-25A1 chipset.
>> Where would discussion about using it be *ON TOPIC* ?
>> It is recognized by Debian Stretch.
>> I have found relevant bits-n-pieces in manpages and package info.
>> I'm retired and my avocation is learning about Linux.
>> I'm missing background in:
>> USB interfacing
>> networking (in a broad sense)
>> TIA
>
>
> The plusb driver should detect it as a network interface.
I don't find "plusb" in man pages or list of Debian packages.
I did find it mentioned in [https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB ]
Do I need to know anything more at the moment?
> It's
> faster than a 100Mb/s ethernet adapter and slower than a gigabit
> ethernet adapter.
>
> Plug it in to both sides and pick an IP range. Let's call it:
>
> A:
> 192.168.42.1/24
>
> B:
> 192.168.42.2/24
>
> So to find your adapter name, you say:
>
> ip link show
>
> and eliminate the ones you know about - lo, eth0, wlan0,
> whatever - and find the one that's new. Let's pretend it's
> called usbnet0.
>
> Assign it an address:
>
> ip address add 192.168.42.1/24 usbnet0
> (and on B, use ...42.2 )
>
> You should get a route on each side:
> ip 4
> ....
> 192.168.42.1/24 dev usbnet0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.42.2
> ...
>
> and now you can access the other side via ssh and scp and
> whatever.
>
I've never used either "ssh" or "scp". *THEREFORE* I believe I have a
reading assignment <grin>. After all, that was essentially what I was
asking for :}
Not going to have a chunk of time for this project until Thursday or
Friday afternoon. More later.
THANK YOU
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:47:23 +0200
From: Miroslav Skoric <skoric@eunet.rs>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Not power off after shutdown in Jessie
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On 06/10/2018 06:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2018-05-31 at 02:01, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
>
>> After upgrading from Wheezy LTS to Jessie, one of my machines having 512
>> MB RAM, does not power off when it reached target shutdown. It seems
>> some old issue/bug with systemd or else. In fact, everything closes down
>> properly except it does not unmount the following:
>>
>> /run/user/1000
>> /run/user/106
>> /var
>> /home
>> /tmp
>
> How can you tell that these are still mounted?
>
Because the machine kept reporting 'failed unmount' for these above,
something like this:
umounting /run/user/1000
failed to umount /run/user/1000
umounting /run/user/106
failed to umount /run/user/106
...
...
(Sorry I forgot the exact syntax of how the machine reported that,
because it was last week. But it finally started to poweroff properly
after I removed all clamav -related stuff from that machine. In fact, I
noticed that all those clam* things still belonged to Wheezy, being in
versions ...deb7u1 or so, after I upgraded Wheezy LTS to Jessie.)
>
> Could it be a kernel/BIOS incompatibility? (I.e., probably something to
> do with ACPI tables.)
>
I don't know ... I got that machine some 6-7 years ago, as a second-hand
then. So it is probably some 10+ year old at least.
>
> The only fix I've found for that problem, aside from reverting to the
> older kernel, is to upgrade the BIOS on the affected computers. Some of
> them had BIOS versions dating back to at least 2012, if not 2009;
> bringing them up to the manufacturer's latest BIOS release for that
> model got the new environments to shut down and reboot normally.
>
I see. But as I said, removing some packages returned the box to normal
shutdown.
Furthermore, what wondered me even more is that another *older* box I
have here (dated back to the beginning of the previous decade!), that
runs with only 224MB RAM on Celeron 400MHz, did not experience failure
in poweroff at all.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:01:44 +0200
From: Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: USB Host-Host cables
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:50:51PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/13/2018 09:57 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > The plusb driver should detect it as a network interface.
>
> I don't find "plusb" in man pages or list of Debian packages.
> I did find it mentioned in [https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB ]
It's a kernel module included in the debian kernel.
> Do I need to know anything more at the moment?
No. module should be loaded automatically if you plugin your usb
device.
best regards
Ulf
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:40:59 +0200
From: deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: A newer kernel for my genesi smartbook
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Robert Pommrich wrote:
> I don't know how to find out, if the hardware is really supported, nor
> how to build a mainline kernel and integrate it with Uboot.
I can't speak about your genesi smartbook, but I have few rear boards and
what I usually do is go through all modules used - loaded/compiled in.
I make sure to have them enabled in the kernel config and build package for
the kernel or just build initrd.
I found it very practical to test using PXE or similar (boot/root over
internet (nfs) - one can easily test kernel without much effort (of course
the effort goes into setting up the nfs/root boot part.
you can compile all drivers used by the board in the kernel also to avoid
using initrd, but many would object here.
if it is not x86 it is a bit more complicated
regards
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:43:53 +0300
From: Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GCC 7
Message-ID: <[🔎] 3dafed06-c2c0-4094-a45c-eef150b9a4c7@oles.biz">3dafed06-c2c0-4094-a45c-eef150b9a4c7@oles.biz>
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On 06/13/2018 11:04 AM, Irek Szcześniak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need GCC 7 on my Debian Stretch. Previously I upgraded my Stretch to
> Testing (Buster), but I ran to some problems, and reinstalled the system
> back to Stretch.
>
> Could someone offer an advice on how to get a working GCC 7 on Debian
> Stretch, without upgrading to Testing?
Another option could be to build GCC-7 yourself from source. Don't
forget to use appropriate prefix when you run "configure".
Kind regards
Georgi
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:57:36 -0400
From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Print Queues and KVM/virt-manager virtual Windows machines
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> Which strikes me as a bug, not a feature. I'm not familiar with the USB
> specification but it seems to me that sharing USB ports, speakers,
> microphones, network ports, etc. should all be possible. While one host, the
> hypervisor, may control the actual port, others should be able to
> communicate with it via a virtual port that the hypervisor provides.
Virtualization can only be done based on higher-level knowledge of
the protocol.
But yes: you should be able to "pass" this particular USB device to one
of your virtual machines.
> The problem there is that many (all?) printer manufacturers provide Windows
> programs that offer more features than the CUPS drivers provide.
And these will typically use ad-hoc proprietary protocols :-(
Stefan
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:44:38 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [Solved] Re: Hardware decoding of video not working in VLC
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:06:32 +0200
didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 13/06/2018 =E0 06:00, Celejar a =E9crit=A0:
> [...]
> > --avcodec-hw vaapi
> [...]
>=20
> launching vlc with -vvv option may be handy sometimes
Thanks! Using -vvv, I found this [hint for anyone else trying this:
look for amber lines ;)]:
avcodec decoder warning: thread type 1: disabling hardware acceleration
Searching the web turned up this thread:
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=3D134770
Apparently, vlc uses ffmpeg libraries, which contain a limitation
preventing the simultaneous use of multithreading and hardware
acceleration. The workaround is to disable multithreading (although
there's a warning that this may adversely affect performance with
non-hardware-accelerated video):
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=3D134770# p446037
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=3D134770# p446154
Doing this reenables hardware acceleration, and CPU usage drops to
levels similar to those of mpv.
Thanks much!
Celejar
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:40:11 -0400
From: Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: NitroShare doesn't seem to work with Buster
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I note that there aren't any Buster packages available for NitroShare.
The Sid packages don't work with Buster - I get the message
"QSystemTrayIcon::setVisible: No Icon set" when I try to launch it (from
the command line - the Plasma menu launcher hides the error message).
However nitroshare is still running despite the error. It has a process
and is consuming resources (notably it grabs a port).
However, when I try to connect to my Buster workstation from my Android
phone, the nitroshare app goes searching forever. It never finds a
machine to connect to.
My real problem is that another thing that doesn't work with Bust is
mtp, so I can't transfer files via the USB charging cable. I was hoping
that NitroShare work give me an alternative, if less desirable, solution.
Has anyone been able to get NitroShare to work with Buster? Does anyone
have any idea when a working Buster package will become available?
Or on another subject, does anyone know if mtp will ever work?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:19:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: NitroShare doesn't seem to work with Buster
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Gary Dale wrote:
> Or on another subject, does anyone know if mtp will ever work?
I don't know; there has been discussion of using:
gmtp
go-mtpfs
jmtpfs
I've used jmtpfs (requires) java; I've used one of the others but
forget which, whichever, it worked alright.
I use sshdroid on the phone to and sshfs on the laptop now.
I believe krusader is relevant in kde environments but no direct
familiarity.
f.
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Felmon in NY