Brian wrote: ... > You could resolve the idea that sane is involved with > > apt purge libsane that takes out: colord hplip libsane printer-driver-postscript-hp which 3 out of the 4 i do use. i've removed every *sane* package i can without taking out things i actually use. that was my first approach to dealing with it before i got into other angles. all ok this afternoon so far... :) songbird