Re: Replace systemd
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:45:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> >> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
> >>
> >>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained
> >>> here:
> >>>
> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html
> >>>
> >>> If you would prefer that it is some derivate/fork of Debian
> >>> without systemd, I do not have personal experience with those,
> >>> but I'm sure that you will get few hints.
> >>
> >> init is a small part of systemd. And judging y the bug reported and
> >> how they are treated, I do not trust any part of it. Neither
> >> resolved, logind, etc...
> >
> > So you do not trust udev as well?
>
> I consider it unfortunate that udev is maintained as part of the systemd
> suite, rather than being maintained independently (even if by the same
> people), purely from a separation-of-distinct-things perspective.
>
> I haven't seen any relevant problems with it to date, however; the worst
> aspect of that maintenance situation is that it means upgrading udev
> shows the systemd changelog (which rarely has any relevant changes
> listed), rather than only a changelog for udev itself.
Um. So called Predictable Network Interface Names, for starters.
Does *very funny* things to Debian (anything that have net.ifnames=1
really) running in ESXi.
Somewhat old, but truly golden story about udev and firmware loading -
https://lwn.net/Articles/518942/
And, of course #762018 deserves a honorable mention.
> >> And it is NOT possible to use debian without any part of systemd.
> >
> > Indeed it is. It is not possible to use Debian without udev.
> > Everything else is optional though.
>
> You do at least also need libsystemd0 - or at any rate, trying to remove
> that on my (otherwise systemd-free) system results in removing 735
> packages, and leaving at least a few hundred others in "automatically
> installed, would be removed by autoremove" state.
True. But does libsystemd0 count? It's a library, not an executable.
Reco
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