Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)
On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:29:09 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 24 March 2017 10:20:46 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:07:22AM +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > > I disagree. Sometimes there is no disagreement, someone is just
> > > plain wrong. Catherine has been given the use cases that disprove
> > > her thesis, and has been contradicting herself.
> >
> > Catherine's *suggestion* has been shot down for causing problems
> > for some use-cases; but the problem she wants to address still
> > exists and is still in need of a solution. I see very little
> > interest here in people actually addressing the problem (except
> > Catherine); just a lot of "Get off my lawn"-style posts, and a
> > propensity of people to misprepresent *their* opinion with that of
> > the project as a whole.
> > > if they insist on not wanting to be educated
> >
> > Interestingly that's exactly how I'd characterize most of the
> > responses *to* Catherine; deaf ears to the problem, due to
> > dissatisafaction with a proposed solution.
> >
> > > at a certain point you must simply wash
> > > your hands of them. It's not nice, but it *is* constructive.
> >
> > "Washing your hands" is deleting the thread and moving on; it's not
> > posting aggressive, toxic messages.
>
> What we have *all* been losing sight of in this thread is that none
> of us can do anything about it anyway. An installer proposal needs
> making to the installer developers.
>
And before that happens, there needs to be some sort of consensus as to
what might constitute an improvement, which a group of Debian users
might reasonably be expected to discuss. Politely.
I would have thought that where an installation is expected to end up
without a network connection, particularly a netinstall, the user
should be notified and asked whether to continue.
I've mentioned recently that I once did a non-expert netinstall, in the
days when I used static addresses and no DHCP, and was miffed to find I
had no network interfaces at the end of the process.
I wasn't a complete beginner, I had more than one computer available,
and it wasn't that hard to fix, but I was still annoyed not to have
been warned about this behaviour, which was completely undesirable but
deliberate, beforehand. Not quite the same situation, but similar.
--
Joe
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