Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.
On 11/23/2014 11:25 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> That is the huge majority of Debian users.
>>>> Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't
>>>> work as
>>>> expected.
>>>
>>> Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have
>>> yet to have a single problem with it.
>>>
>>
>> What about all of those people with custom software running which relies
>> on sysv init for starting? There are a lot of those systems out there -
>> and every one of them will need work to conform to systemd. Many of
>> those users will find it less time consuming and costly to change to
>> another distro. It can be very expensive to bring someone up to speed
>> on the systemd, then change and test all of their custom software (or
>> pay a consultant to do it for you).
>>
>>>> Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and
>>>> manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the
>>>> problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do
>>>> so.
>>>
>>> And yet the Linux community continues to lurch from pillar to post, as
>>> always, surviving by our collective wits. That is our strength. That
>>> part you just don't seem to appreciate, that nothing is ever static and
>>> that change that is inherent within our little meritocracy and is our
>>> greatness.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of
>> dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or
>> possibly another distro. But Debian will lose users.
>
>
> How will Debian lose users? Debian is one of the LAST distros to adopt
> systemd. Wheezy is good for another couple of years and it's still
> running systemv. You're not suggesting that your user base will run
> Jessie anytime soon?
>
>> Sure, people who only run software in .deb packages won't be hit as
>> hard. But that is definitely not the entire Debian user base.
>
> Again, if you stick with wheezy, you have zero immediate concerns for
> your scripts and customers.
>
>
There are other distros which don't use systemd, such as Gentoo. Then
there is always BSD.
And while Wheezy will still be supported for a couple of years, it's not
necessarily the answer. While many people don't want the "latest and
greatest", they also don't want the "oldest and baddest".
Jerry
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