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Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.



On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
  That is the huge majority of Debian users.
Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as
expected.

Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have
yet to have a single problem with it.


What about all of those people with custom software running which relies
on sysv init for starting?  There are a lot of those systems out there -
and every one of them will need work to conform to systemd.  Many of
those users will find it less time consuming and costly to change to
another distro.  It can be very expensive to bring someone up to speed
on the systemd, then change and test all of their custom software (or
pay a consultant to do it for you).

Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and
manpower.  Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the
problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do
so.

And yet the Linux community continues to lurch from pillar to post, as
always, surviving by our collective wits. That is our strength. That
part you just don't seem to appreciate, that nothing is ever static and
that change that is inherent within our little meritocracy and is our
greatness.


Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of
dedicated users due to this decision.  Possibly another fork, or
possibly another distro.  But Debian will lose users.


How will Debian lose users? Debian is one of the LAST distros to adopt systemd. Wheezy is good for another couple of years and it's still running systemv. You're not suggesting that your user base will run Jessie anytime soon?

Sure, people who only run software in .deb packages won't be hit as
hard.  But that is definitely not the entire Debian user base.

Again, if you stick with wheezy, you have zero immediate concerns for your scripts and customers.


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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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