Joe writes: much good information not quoted but greatly appreciated > etc. and try to telnet in from outside, see what message you get. 2dc martin tmp $telnet debsystem.it.okstate.edu 25 Trying 169.254.5.10... telnet: connect to address 169.254.5.10: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host 3dc martin tmp $ Just kidding about the IP numbers, but that's how the session went.