Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:26:40 -0500,
Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> a écrit :
> Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500,
> > Jerry Stuckle <jstuckle@attglobal.net> a écrit :
> >
> >> On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >>> Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100,
> >>> Peter Nieman <gmane-acct@t-online.de> a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >>>>> Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind
> >>>> I didn't threaten anybody.
> >>>>
> >>>>> do not send 100 mails to ML's
> >>>> I didn't. I don't even know what "ML's" are.
> >>> That was not directed to you, but a more generic statement about
> >>> people talking about forking debian.
> >>>
> >>> (ML's == Mailing List's)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I don't see that as a "threat". I see it as an attempt to
> >> determine if there are enough others interested to make it a
> >> viable project.
> >>
> >> And lists like this one are a perfect place to find out of there
> >> are other users interested in such a project.
> > http://debianfork.org/:
> >
> > "If systemd will be substituting sysvinit in Debian, we will fork
> > the project and create a new distro. We hope this won't be
> > necessary, but we are well prepared for it."
> >
> > I call that a threat. And the same kind of message are all around
> > the debian mailing lists and other social media.
> >
> >
>
> Does it really matter if it's a "threat," or a statement of intent,
> or even just a wish? You seem to imply that there's something wrong
> with such a statement.
>
> Given the number of folks who are saying "if you don't like systemd,
> go somewhere else," and the tradition of forking open source software
> (and linux distributions) over various differences of opinion -- what
> is it that you're objecting to?
>
> Personally, I see it as a clear and strong statement of
> dissatisfaction that's likely to lead to significant defection from
> Debian - to other existing distros, and possibly to one or more new
> forks.
>
> What, exactly, is it that you are objecting to here? That folks
> aren't just happy to go along with a major shift in Debian? That
> people are making their opinions clear? That people won't adopt
> Jessie, and will desert Debian once Wheezy starts to reach EOL? That
> folks might go so far as to create a new fork? Something else?
I'm objecting to the fact that they are doing announcement like that
instead of actually forking. That kind of message contributes to the
never ending discussion that is for a long time draining the energy of a
lot of developers (including me).
The situation for jessie will NOT change (the freeze is the Thu 6/11 at
00:00 UTC around 25h from now), systemd will stay the default init
system for jessie as this decision is clearly not challenged by the GR.
The "funny" thing is that there is ATM NO software in the debian archive
that requires systemd as PID1 to run[0] (zero, null, nil, None). So even
if Ian's GR passes, nothing will in practice change. There is software
however requiring _components_ of systemd to run properly, but from my
understanding this is again NOT covered by the GR.
So people not happy with today's situation and calling to fork will not
be more happy tomorrow.
So to summarize:
- Debian releases jessie
- People that still want to fork do whatever they want
- Everybody is happy
- End of the story
[0] OK I lied there is systemd-cron
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> Miles Fidelman
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