Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200
Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
> >
> > Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> > > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> > > > John Hasler wrote:
> > > > > Miles Fidelman writes:
> > > > >> the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially
> > > > >> imposes systemd on all of the upstream developers and
> > > > >> packagers
> > > > >
> > > > > Where the hell do you get that from?
> > > >
> > > > Isn't that effectively what happened?
> > > >
> > > > If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my stuff to run on
> > > > Debian, I now have to include systemd init scripts (or the
> > > > packagers do).
> > > >
> > > > Sure, it's "voluntary" - but not really.
> > >
> > > Oh, the same way I could say:
> > >
> > > I am forced to write init scripts for a package. As I recently
> > > just
> >
> > > did:
> > The difference being that the Linux *you* originally moved *to*
> > required init scripts. Nobody changed everything on you.
>
> Well with that I can argue to better never change *anything*.
>
> I wonder what developers of the Linux kernel, of KDE, or
> you-name-what would say to this idea.
KDE is every bit the trash systemd is, and more. The difference is, you
simply discard KDE, its libraries, and all the executables depending on
its libraries, and go about your business. As far as the kernel, they
day they start taking marching orders from Gnome and Redhat, you can
remind me of this. I don't recall the kernel ever doing anything within
three orders of magnetude as stupid as systemd.
> I no what I self would say to it: I want change.
Yep, you want any change, at any cost. Bust anything, it doesn't matter,
it's exciting.
> Change is life.
> There is nothing static in life.
How Eastern Philosophical. I may have to climb a mountain and fast for
a month to reach your level of enlightenment.
SteveT
Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
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