Re: There is no choice
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:50:04AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Bannister" <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 09:04:05PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:56:10 +0000 "Andrew M.A. Cater"
> > > <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It woun't kill any detractors to try this and help us find what
> > > > breaks, to help us to get a Debian system we can all be proud of
> > > > instead of talking up a storm to complain about things.
> > > > Experience may also allow us to support alternatives where
> > > > feasible.
> > > >
> > > Why is it forbidden to do both? I need to use Windows for some
> > > purposes, and occasionally I even correct some of the more
> > > out-of-date FUD about it, but that doesn't mean I think it's
> > > great, or that I'm somehow not allowed to criticise it.
> >
> > No, but consider how it would go down if you were a Farmer who
> > wasn't happy with the crop yield but instead of going to the seed
> > manufacturer you go along to the tractor service department and
> > complain incessantly. How do you think that would go down?
>
> I get your point, but don't the Debian developers have a better chance
> of getting changes implemented in upstream systemd that I do? Keep in
> mind, I'm not a developer, so I can't provide patches. All I can do
> is explain the problems some of systemd's design choices are causing
> me. These problems may be related to function, or the may be related
> to something else such as limitation of choice or freedom.
Remember the DDs are users too. Have a read through the threads in the
debian-devel list regarding systemd, and you will see that a lot of the
concerns have been discussed to death. I think this goes back further
than just a few months, and because the "discussion" wasn't getting
anywhere it was put to the technical committee --- that's how I read it
anywhow.
It really is pointless discussing them all again here on this list. If
someone has a legitimate *technical* problem then, sure, this is the
right place to seek help.
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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing." --- Malcolm X
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