Re: There is no choice
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:19:50 +0100
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 14:53:15 Joe wrote:
> > As Lisi and others have pointed out, the
> > design of systemd and the decision of Debian to make systemd the
> > 'default', or in practice the only init system, are set in stone.
> > There's nothing to discuss.
>
> I have never said anything of the kind.
Not in so many words.
> I have said only that it is
> up to the developers to decide what they do. They are volunteers.
Which in practice comes to the same thing. And of course that is
correct, I'm agreeing with you. And I said 'and others', who have been
more forthright, including some outside this list. As I said to John,
I've been doing some reading.
>
> If someone wants to maintain or develop something else, then
> obviously they can. There is no stone about it. But DO something
> constructive. Maintain sysvinit.
That's not going to help. It is clear that sysvinit is dead, it just
hasn't stopped twitching yet. But it has no future.
> Write patches for the applications
> that depend on systend so that they do not depend on systemd. Etc.
I don't believe that can be done in practice, and if it could, it's
beyond my abilities and resources.
> But stop winging. Stop taking over this list with endless useless
> complaints.
You don't have to read them, I dare say your newsreader can display
subject lines. But if you did read them, you will see people looking
for answers, not just complaining. There is no point in complaining.
>
> And listen to what anyone else is saying. You want to be heard.
> Hear others.
That's the whole point. This is where the Debian users are, this is
where they can be heard.
--
Joe
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