Re: There is no choice
On 9/22/2014 1:03 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here.
>>>> And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It
>>>> will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other
>>>> systems now. And I think it is highly likely this path will force
>>>> another fork of Debian, as occurred when Ubuntu forked.
>>>
>>> Oh Please! There are plenty of Debian derivatives. No doubt there will
>>> always be derivatives, but your insinuation that these derivatives occur
>>> because of problems within Debian, is incorrect. Please stop spreading
>>> FUD!
>>>
>>
>> And why are there derivatives? Because someone didn't like something
>> about Debian. To them there was a problem.
>
> Have you got any link to back this up. My understanding is that someone
> creates a derivative because Debian is a good starting point - someone
> has already done all the hard work -- all the derivatives have to do is
> a few config changes add some eye candy and voila! :) OK, it may not be
> that simple but hopefully you get my point.
>
You tell ME why someone would go to all the trouble of creating and
maintaining a derivative if Debian suits their purpose. It is not a
minor job. It is a LOT more than "a few config changes" and "adding
some eye candy". But I get your point. You have no idea how much work
is involved.
> One of the reasons I like Debian is that you can install the base system
> and take it from there adding the packages you want. Some people can't
> be bothered with that and prefer an "OOTB solution", I think this is the
> reason for a derivative forming --- people have different ideas of what
> that "OOTB solution" should be.
>
That's fine for you. But it doesn't fit everyone, and an OOTB solution
is NOT the only reason derivatives are created.
> Do you know of any fork/derivative which occured because of a "problem"
> within Debian? The only reason I can think of at the moment is possibly
> because of a lack of proprietry audio or video codecs.
>
Ubuntu, for one. Creating and maintaining that repository is not a
minor job, even though Debian has done much of the hard work. It is not
handled by just one person. There are a number of people involved, each
spending quite a fair amount of time maintaining the repository.
And the lack of proprietary codecs is only ONE problem.
Jerry
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