I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives. Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix" and because of that we should have the freedom to create better solutions, rather than being a UNIX purist and keeping it old-school. Plan 9 is considered a "spiritual successor" to UNIX with it's principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push this UNIX concept, I don't think we will see a practical use for it. If you don't want to accept systemd as advancement for GNU/Linux platform (especially desktop) and rather stay with the pure UNIX approach, maybe it's time to switch to an actual UNIX and not use "UNIX-like" GNU/Linux. Of course I don't bash the concept of UNIX because it's a great foundation on witch many successful operating systems are built, like various flavors of BSD, GNU/Linux, and some commercial implementations. From what I predict the future for Debian doesn't look that great, I think that either most current users unhappy with systemd switch will migrate to Gentoo or BSDs, or we will see another fragmentation of Linux community and people will start forking distributions just for the sake of keeping sysvinit on life support, for the sake of UNIX purism. W dniu 14.09.2014 15:11, lee pisze: > Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> writes: > >> On 13/09/14 20:54, lee wrote: >>> Can you have, say, KDE on Gentoo without systemd? "Without systemd" >>> means *all* of systemd, like systemd-login0 etc.. >> >> [...] >> >> The best place to ask would be the user community discussion spaces >> (mailing lists / web forums / IRC channels) for KDE and/or for Gentoo >> Linux. > > Hm, I think I'll subscribe to the Gentoo mailing list and ask what their > position about systemd is. I doubt that by using Gentoo, you could > evade systemd ... > > Not that I'm using KDE, but when you now can't have a fully functional > Linux system as you could have with sysvinit without depending on > systemd, then it's really time to look for alternatives to Linux. > >
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