Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

[Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com>]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:09:44 +0000
"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 05:51:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
> > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars
> > > about systemd.  The OP in particular has started endless
> > > "threads" on this subject. 
> > > 
> > > Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore
> > > him?  At least the threads will then be short.  PLEASE.  If you
> > > like Debian, use it. If you don't like it, don't use it.  If you
> > > want to fork it, fork it.  
> > > 
> > > This once super list is becoming a pain, 
> > 
> > And so, let's put 100% of the blame for the list's becoming a pain
> > on the OP and those who agree with him, and 0% of the people who
> > replaced something that worked, for most of us, with something
> > requiring deep integration not only with system software, but with
> > applications.
> > 
> > After all, if you don't walk in lockstep with Lennart Poettering,
> > the guy who brought us PulseAudio and pisses on POSIX, then you
> > must not be a Debian person, and you shouldn't express your opinion!
> > 
> > SteveT
> > 
> > Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
> > Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
> > 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Put in 17 years of working on/with Debian (as I have) then accept that
> most Debian developers use and want the working Debian they have or 
> something at least as good.

Andrew, I acknowledge your 17 years of working on/with Debian.

Here's part of my contribution:

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slitt@mydesq2:~$ cat /etc/issue
Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l

slitt@mydesq2:~$ apt-cache search vimoutliner
vim-vimoutliner - script for building an outline editor on top of Vim
slitt@mydesq2:~$
=====================================================

I originated the VimOutliner project in 2001, and as long as I was in
charge of the project (and I'm pretty sure continuing to this day), we
didn't subject our users to anything as widely objected to as systemd.
It was the first practical outliner on Linux, with its predecessors
being too slow and cumbersome to use. And we were smart enough to use
the existing Vim as our engine, and not ask the Vim project to put in
hooks to facilitate our software, nor tweaks to overcome our project's
bugs.

And while we're listing bone-fides as justification for whether someone
can or can't express his opinion of Debian's choices on the
Debian-User list, please keep in mind that since 1999, I've been
writing information on using Linux, and have been responsible for
people switching to Linux, and having a good experience with Linux.
Google "Steve Litt" and "Linux" for a few examples. I was also
involving in the founding of two different LUGs and the Publicity
Person for a third.

Andrew, we've all paid our dues in one way or another. Paying dues
doesn't give one moral authority over who posts what about Debian on the
Debian-Users list.

SteveT

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