Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

[Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>]

On Wed 03 Sep 2014 at 07:54:25 +0200, Erwan David wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:14:52PM CEST, Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> said:
> > On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > >Erwan David wrote:
> > >
> > >>aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable...
> > >>Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd...
> > >>
> > >>that's a lot of bugs to open...
> > >
> > >
> > >Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desktop system as I know it seems to be
> > >locked into 'libsystemd-login0' and imposable to remove, somebody
> > >correct me if I'm wrong..please!
> > 
> > The libsystemd-login0 package is required because some major components are
> > built with support for systemd functionality, which they obtain by linking
> > against the libsystemd-login shared library. Programs which are linked
> > against a given shared library require that shared library to be present in
> > order to run.
> > 
> > *Supporting* systemd functionality is, of course, not the same thing as
> > *requiring* that functionality to be present.
> 
> lauching systemd-logind (which they do) is actually requiring it, no ?
> 
> (samething that all those softs which start gconf daemon)
> 
> Did someone try to *remove* pam-systemd from their configuration ?
> (after all if I do not use the feature, I should be able to configure the system for not using it).

An informed and high-quality technical post from Martin Read followed
by a few bucketfuls of misleading nonsense drawn from the well of
advocacy ignorance.